Doctor of Management (DM) - 42 Credits/TRACS - about $16K USD

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by AsianStew, Jun 22, 2022.

  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your opinion on the rigor of individual courses, Steve. I didn't comment on it, because I don't know. I said their degrees were legit and accredited -in the US. What I also said is this type of school can't award degrees in Canada. Andexample of one that operates in both countries is Herzing University in US and Herzing College in Canada (used to be Herzing Institute.) US operation awards accredited degrees. Canadian Herzing doesn't. They are two separate -they say "unaffiliated" operations - and I believe them, because they have to be. Period.

    Summary: US and Canada sometimes have two different ideas of what is a degree and what isn't. And of what is a University - and what isn't. From mintaru's checking with Anabin, it looks like Germany has its own ideas too. Es lebe der Unterschied (Vive la difference.)
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    * A career-school, which cannot award degrees can call itself a College here. This was not always the case.
    I went to an "institute" for fashion design, my friend went to a "college" for programming. Both private career schools. No degrees. Nice diplomas though.
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It might look like it, I don't know. But I do know it isn't.

    Other than some complaints about a couple of for-profits slow-walking doctoral students--which I think is likely nonsense--we almost never hear concerns about the quality of education delivered by the big ones (like Strayer and UoP). It's always about financial and recruiting issues.

    Earning a degree at these schools is just as hard, or not, as others. Yes, I'm sure there is variance .
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It may be just as hard at Strayer, Rich. As I said to Steve, I won't dispute course rigour because I've never studied there. But experienced German authorities gave the degrees of Strayer a German High School rating. They don't usually do that with RA degrees. There has to be a reason. And what I say about looks is, yes, subjective and arbitrary at best. But I'm sure the people at Anabin must have had more concrete info to base their decision on. They're not of an arbitrary and capricious nature, like me .... are they?
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And as I have pointed out previously, Rich - there are American chains that award legit, accredited degrees in US - but cannot do so here. Is this just protectionism -- or is there more to it?
  7. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I've also taken some Strayer University courses. I don't know which ones you took, but the ones I took were almost impossible to fail. It was laughable how easy they were.
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Then again, it may not be hard at Strayer. I think the Anabin folks are on to something... yes, I really do.
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm not so sure I'd accept German authorities as effective arbiters of things not German. At least, not when it comes to higher education.

    It's pretty easy to sit back and be snobby about something when you don't actually have to engage it.

    As I understand things--and I could be wrong about this--I can not use the title "doctor" in Germany based on my PhD from Union. (But I can use it based on my doctorate from Leicester. Or could before the UK left the EU. Or something.) I'll have to remember that during the German leg of our cruise on the Danube.

    Back in the '80s I was talking with a government civilian. She was talking about getting a doctorate, so I mentioned Union--one of the handful of accredited schools offering a short-residency doctorate at that time. She said something to the effect of, "Oh, no. If I can't go to a top university, I just won't do it." How convenient. She was in the midst of a career and certainly wasn't going to take years off to do a residential PhD, and she was equally adamant about needing to go to such a school to get her degree. Hypothetically. The reality was she didn't do it. But hey, she got to be snobby about it, and perhaps that's what she needed the most.

    When I was with the University of Phoenix, one of my adjuncts had her master's from Harvard. I asked her what the difference was between earning a master's at Harvard and one from UoP. She said none in terms of academic rigor, but the process was different at UoP (it was) and the quality of students was more varied (it was). She said Harvard wasn't harder; it was just able to be more choosy.

    These are just anecdotes. YMMV.
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  10. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    True, Anabin mostly doesn't like degrees (obviously) earned online, because they're "not rigorous enough". It doesn't matter if it's it's an Ivy League degree or Strayer. If it's online, it's automatically bad. What Anabin says has no bearing on how good (or not) Strayer is. I think WGU isn't accepted by Anabin either?
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks. Today I learned. As the great Ella Fitzgerald sang, "I'm Beginning to See the Light." :)
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Looks like Anabin does, too. :) (I'm not ridiculing the post. I believe, IIRC, from years ago, that this poster has taught in the for-profit environment and has had plenty of experience that backs up the statement.)
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  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I've said this many times before. Many confuse rigor with quantity. I've taken multiple choice exams that were harder than some of the junk writing assignments I've had at for-profits. I think of these questions when assessing rigor and quality.

    What's the minimum to get a "C" and the minimum to get an "A?"

    Are the study materials and assignments college-level?

    Are the assignments relevant to the topic of study, and do they cover the breadth of the topic?

    When grading, are the instructors mostly concerned with content or perfect APA formatting?
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  14. sideman

    sideman Active Member

    You need to repeat this multiple times for us for profit degree holders, so we can finally "get it".
  15. mintaru

    mintaru Active Member

    Anabin/ZAB only exists for the purpose of recognising foreign educational qualifications within Germany. I think even the employees of the ZAB would agree with you that their decisions have no real relevance outside of Germany.

    This law exists, but it only applies to German citizens and permanent residents. Incidentally, it is now again possible to use the title "doctor" if you have an UK degree. This was not the case for a while shortly after Brexit.

    That law is literally a holdover from the 19th century and it only exists because in Germany it is possible to register a doctorate in an ID card or passport. Conservative Germans are doing that and have so far prevented any attempt to end the practice. Less conservative Germans turn up their noses and think that people with a doctorate in their passport are making a fool of themselves abroad.
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  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You cannot imagine my relief....:cool:
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Great info. Thanks!
  18. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Sure. LOL. Whenever online students talk about how "rigorous" their classes were, they always talk about how much they had to write. Writing is time-consuming, but what did you learn and how high were the grading standards? Some schools nitpick over how many pages or words you wrote or how many sources you had. To me, that's not indicative of a quality education. You're just checking off boxes on a rubric. It's not only for-profits that operate this way. Many non-traditional non-profits and public universities also operate this way, and they often model themselves after for-profits.
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  19. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. A school can select three quality texts of impressive size with the right scholars writing them and require them to be read. That is totally different from ensuring that the material has been absorbed and understood through challenging exam essays and research that touch on all the areas covered.

    Some mills are even further behind because they have faculty with substandard degrees who don't know what undergrad, grad, or doctoral level education should look like. I remember complaints about Newburgh and the types of books picked as textbooks.

    As we saw here with one massive Nicaraguan Central dissertation (900 pages?), massive amounts of writing does not equal rigor. Nine hundreds pages of mind numbingly poor quality research is still 900 pages of manure with "Dissertation in partial fulfillment..." written on it.
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  20. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Was UCN the school who has the astrology dissertation?

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