DETC giveth and (maybe) taketh away.

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Johann, Feb 13, 2012.

  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    You're right, Steve. I was having a "senior moment." I knew Apollo group owned another school besides UOP - but it definitely ISN'T Apollos. I was probably thinking of recently-closed Meritus U. which WAS Apollo-owned and which I'd been discussing on another forum about 20 minutes ago. Here's a Wiki on Apollos. Apollos University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I hope that Perelandra pulls out of their nosedive. They have one of the very few 100% DL MFA degrees in Creative Writing. It's an endangered species.
  3. b4cz28

    b4cz28 New Member

    I thought about them but the cost is a bit much, $200 an hour for DETC undergrade credits. If I had the money I would jump on them if they pull through.
  4. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I just spoke to an official at the DETC and was told that the University Of The People is no longer an applicant for accreditation. Whether they withdrew or the DETC withdrew, I wasn't told. I'm very disappointed, but at the same time interested to see what they plan to do next.
  5. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    I was of the impression that when a school is given a show cause order, they are essentially toast. I see in the thread on Trident that the WASC just lifted Trident's show cause order.
  6. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    From a quick search:

    • Chancellor University, a proprietary, recently emerged from show cause from NCA HLC.
    Everest College Phoenix, a proprietary owned by Corinthian Colleges Inc., recently emerged from show cause from NCA HLC.
    • Diablo Valley College, a public community college in Contra Costa County, CA, emerged from show cause from the Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges of WASC within the past several years (and now they have a Substantive Change proposal up for more distance learning; pdf).
    • Mountain State University, despite the name a private non-profit, is currently under show cause from NCA HLC.
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Not good or bad but it seems that their salaries are not able to attract people with better degrees or may be the owners feel that UoP grads are better prepared.
    I think is the first reason but I might be wrong.
  8. okydd

    okydd New Member

    How many schools have every lost their accreditation? The US’s accreditation system needs fixing. There is the nonsense that one standard is the gold standard in accreditation. One is mid-tier, others are bottom feeders etc. The department of education recognized them as equal, but they are not equal. Some school are not recognized in their own country but are accredited in the US. Then others are accredited but not acceptable, etc. It looks pretty messy. I the UK you are Royal Chartered or not. In Canada, you are accredited or not- Same as in South Africa, Malaysia, India and almost every country.
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Dozens of schools lose their accreditation or go out of business annually.

    Every single system you mention has schools at the top and at the bottom. No different from accredited schools in the U.S. The only difference is that the accreditation process in the U.S. is handled by the schools themselves through the accrediting bodies of which they are members.

    The U.S. higher education system is the finest in the world. There is simply no dispute anywhere about that.
  10. okydd

    okydd New Member

    You are correct, but you missed the point. A school should be accredited or not accredited. How many schools do actuality lost their accreditation? There are many accrediting bodies to chose from from, so a school can go accreditation shopping. If you have only a mailbox and a pulse you can be accredited.
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  11. okydd

    okydd New Member

    This is an afterthought, the US has the best medical system in the world, there there are still malpractices happening*- also over 30 million go without health care.

    The US *has the best democracy *in the world but the most votes may not win you the presidency. Go figure.

    The US has the best education system in the world.
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No. You can become accredited by DETC. That's different.

    I didn't miss any point. I disagreed. In the U.S., a school is "accredited or not accredited." Many schools lose their accreditation every year. Look it up already.
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Exceptions do not disprove the rule. One must expect anomalies.

    Your post demonstrates a lack of understanding of the distinction between a democracy and a republic.

    And yes, the U.S. has a higher education system that is the envy of the world.
  14. okydd

    okydd New Member

    You are correct that I do not know the difference between a republic and a democracy. *However, that does not disproved that the presidency can *be won without achieving *the majority of the popular votes.*

    Exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis - the rule is that there will be anomalies. Sorry for changing the topic. LOL
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yes, but that's the way it was designed, and for at least two reasons. First, the less-populated colonies feared the more-populated colonies would dominate, so the electoral college was designed to be disproportionately slanted in favor of them. (Note that this is true to day in the Red/Blue State dichotomy.) Another: the Founding Fathers did not want citizens to have a direct vote for President (nor Senate). They expected in each election that no candidate would receive a majority in the Electoral College and, thus, the electors would eventually settle on a candidate (which actually did occur several times). The rise of the two-party system largely killed that. In a two-man (not "person" yet, but maybe we're getting there?) race, one person is going to get a majority by definition.

    None of that--nor your comment about a "democracy" is relevant. But now it is accurate. We are a republic.
  16. Jacob Perry

    Jacob Perry New Member

    No. No one in this country goes without "health care". The terms "health care" and "insurance" are not interchangeable. Also, your "30 million" figure is completely inaccurate.

    Yes, we do have the best educational system in the world, which is why there is an extraordinarily long wait list for student visas.

    We are a representative republic, not a democracy (which is the worst form of government imaginable. Think "French Revolution").

    Also, why does someone living on a remote Carribean island care about how our system works?
  17. okydd

    okydd New Member

    Now,*this is the perfect definition of ignorance, an unfortunate *by-product of the system.
  18. b4cz28

    b4cz28 New Member

    ************I good sir, think that would be you, that is the by-product.************
  19. okydd

    okydd New Member

    You are correct. You are a fine example of the result of a DETC accredited school. You have my respect.
  20. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    You may be surprised to learn that there was once a topic to this thread. Given that the topic actually has some good use left in it, I won't shy away from banning anyone who vandalizes it with another heated rant or personal attack.

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