Conservative (Neo-Cons which are really fake conservatives) booklist

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Mr. Engineer, Aug 11, 2005.

  1. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Because convicted murderers and child molesters are so much more worthy of the right to life than, dare I say it, innocent unborn babies?
  2. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    And what would states like Mississippi and South Carolina do for economic development if they couldn't invite all the polluters in?
  3. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    1. I support gun control

    I think that most people do. I mean, personal nukes should be illegal. The question is where to draw the line this side of WMD. But having said that, I'm less inclined to favor gun control than criminal control. The people are their own last line of defense.

    2. I am against capital punishment

    I support it.

    3. I think gays should be accorded full equal rights including the right to marry in the secular world.

    I agree. I have nothing wrong with them having church marriages either, though that probably should be a denomination by denomination decision.

    4. I support stronger EPA standards.

    I support both strong standards and strong enforcement, but only where there's real science that backs up the environmental rhetoric. It's like degree-mills. I'm willing to support environmental regulations, but I have to be convinced of the need for them.

    5. I support free health care for the poor.

    I'm not sure what I think about that. I guess that I'd support basic procedures on an ability to pay basis. But should that include every procedure and treatment that modern medical science can possibly provide, regardless of cost? There has to be a line drawn somewhere but I'm not comfortable drawing it.

    6. I am opposed to usings animals for lab research.

    Medical research depends on animal trials. I do think that laboratory animals should be treated so that they suffer as little as possible. I don't think that they should be used unnecessarily.

    7. I don't support the space program.

    I do, and strongly. I think that moving up and off this planet into the wider universe is of fundamental importance to the future of the human race. And I think that humanity is sort of at a world-historical cusp right now. A turning point. If we don't move into space in the next few decades, we may never do it. The developed world's standard of living is going to fall towards the world mean, the capability to build and launch spacecraft will be lost, resources will be depleted and population growth (disproportionately among the poor) will continue. World civilization will enter into a gradual long-term decline that it might be very difficult to recover from.

    8. I oppose seat belt and helmet laws.

    If we repeal them, then individuals not choosing to use them should pay more for healthcare.

    9. I support a woman's right to prostitute her body if she wishes.

    I don't think that the woman has an enforceable right that trumps the right of jurisdictions to outlaw prostitution. But I have no problem with those Nevada counties where prostitution is legal. If prostitution is no problem for the inhabitants of a locality that wants to legalize it, then their legalizing it is no problem for me.

    10.I don't believe in entrapment by law enforcement agencies.

    In general I think that entrapment is fine. You might as well sweep criminals off the street by having as many of them as possible mistakenly trying to victimize undercover cops than by preying on citizens.
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  4. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    And how exactly will humanoids be able to adapt to their new environments on Mars, the Moon, and Venus?
  5. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Does your church have a good disability retirement program for preachers that get thrown from their motorcycles while helmetless?
  6. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Well, now, Jimmy, if we didn't support the space program, lots of poor rumpled engineering professors wouldn't be getting their research grants. And countries with too many unemployed intellectuals with too much time on their hands tend to become breeding grounds for revolutionaries.
  7. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    As Bill Dayson says, yeah, but where do you draw the line?
  8. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Police entrapment is a good thing. How else can we keep our cops gainfully employed if we don't let them manufacture crime?
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I'm against abortion too.
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I didn't say I don't think seat belts and helmets shouldn't be used, I just don't think the government should tell us we have to.

    If I am stupid enough to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, that's my problem.
  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    The responses from Ted and Bill are examples of why labels are asinine. Bill agrees with me on some issues, Ted on others.
  12. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    There is, however, a point at which a person has done something so far beyond the pale and has generally become so irredeemable that the death penalty is the only realistic option.
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Could you throw the switch? Thank about this before you answer.
  14. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Probably not. I am a candy ass wimp and would therefore leave the dirty work to others. But I'm certainly not going to make a life's work out of protesting the death penalty.
  15. Mr. Engineer

    Mr. Engineer member

    Yes. (especially if it were my daughter or son who was killed or molested)
  16. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Yes, Jimmy, but my real point was that cute and cuddly and innocent babies are more deserving of the right to life than a bunch of rapists, robbers, murderers, and child molesters who clearly don't respect the rights of others.
  17. A fascinating chance to compare myself to Jimmy!

    1. I do too, especially after I lived in FL for a while where there is virtually NO gun control, and this is one place on earth that so badly needs it with armed drivers raging up and down I-95 waving their handguns at each other!! (and no hunting opportunities really exist at all.... in the entire state!)
    2. Capital punishment? Nope, I'm FOR it.... hang 'em high as haman as Uncle Janko says - especially murderers, rapists, traitors, and terrorists...
    3. Definitely agree on the "gay marriage" thing, but it surprises me that you do too Jimmy!
    4. Me too.... unless it means our industrial strength is held hostage by foreign interests who force us to comply while devastating their own corners of the third world.
    5. I support good, affordable health care options for everyone, including the poor.
    6. Not me.... I'd personally kill every last chimpanzee on earth with my bare hands if it saved one coked out / cracked out AIDS victim on the streets of NYC from an early death.
    7. I do.... but not the way those idiots at NASA are running it. Of course a lot of that has to do with lack of appropriate funding to upgrade and modernize the entire program. Technology has moved FAR beyond NASA's current delivery systems, which are using 70s and 80s technology at best.
    8. I more or less agree - if someone wants to expose themselves to personal risk through driving some contraption (car or motorcycle) without seat belts or helmets, then so be it....
    9. DEFINITELY agree! What harm does legalized prostitution do? It is when things are ILLEGAL (drugs, prostitution, prohibition from the 20s and 30s) when things really get ugly.
    10. Depends on what you mean. Entrapment when there is no crime or a fabricated crime is invented is obviously wrong. But entrapment of known criminals doing their routine crime in front of clever sting operators is absolutely appropriate, and should happen more frequently.

    Hey Jimmy! Do we agree more than disagree? Strange world, is it not?
    - Carl
  18. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Re: A fascinating chance to compare myself to Jimmy!

    Not even any good gator hunting?
  19. Charles

    Charles New Member

    1. Hunting in Florida

    2. No matter how you interpret the Second Amendment, the concept of the right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting.
  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

    At least you're honest. I do find many who support the death penalty want others to do their, as you say, "dirty work."

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