Comes now Western Advanced Central University

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by John Bear, May 29, 2012.

  1. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    A reader sent me a long email from this new (to me) phony, Western Advanced Central University, at Website is with an anonymous provider in Louisiana. Did a search for the odd wording in the email letter, "able to avail degree" and it also came up with McFord University. They are fully accredited by the "US Department of State Authentications." The phone number on their website is not operating at this time.
  2. b4cz28

    b4cz28 New Member

    The have a nice website.
  3. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Wacuniversity has a chat window...

    Need a doctorate, no dissertation, no problem!

    Neel Foster: Hi,Let me assist you to the evaluation process

    Richard Pryor: Hello

    Neel Foster: Hi

    Neel Foster: How may i help you?

    Richard Pryor: Saw your website

    Richard Pryor: I'm thinking about pursuing a doctoral degree - I want to teach as an adjunct in the USA, possibly at a small university

    Neel Foster: That's great.

    Neel Foster: In which major?

    Richard Pryor: My MBA is in Management - thinking org behavior or quantitative methods

    Neel Foster: ok

    Richard Pryor: Have a few questions

    Neel Foster: How many years of experience do you have in the field of Management

    Richard Pryor: 15

    Neel Foster: Sure go ahead

    Richard Pryor: I'm looking at your website and I can't find the catalog with course descriptions, faculty listing, etc. Where can I find that on the website?

    Neel Foster: Well Doctorate degree from our university is awarded basis on life and working experience

    Neel Foster: No classes and no courses

    Richard Pryor: How is that possible?

    Neel Foster: This program is known as PLA prior learning Assessment

    Richard Pryor: OK - so you would evaluate my work experience and such?
    Richard Pryor: Neel are you still there?

    Neel Foster: We are going to award you the Degree based on your life and working experience
    Neel Foster: With all your experience and education we will turn them into credit hours and
    Neel Foster: If whose credit hours makes you earn to qualify for the degree that you desire to have then we will award you your desire degree in 15 Days.

    Richard Pryor: No comprehensive exams or dissertation?

    Neel Foster: You need to send in me your resume for evaluation if you pass in 15 Days you get the degree if No you get 100% Re-fund

    Richard Pryor: ALright - on to my next question...

    Richard Pryor: Earlier in our conversation, I stated that my goal with a PhD was to teach at a small university in the USA.

    Richard Pryor: I don't recognize your accrediting agency. Is the ACHOE recognized by the US Dept of Education as a legitimate accrediting agency?

    Neel Foster: So the degree awarded from our university is not fake,its fully Accredited honor and Accepted in all 50 states

    Richard Pryor: Neel - I am a professor at a small midwestern university...and my name isn't Richard Pryor. A degree from WAC would be meaningless in the USA, since no legitimate doctoral program would grant a degree based on "life experience," and certainly not without an applied project or dissertation.

    Neel invited me back after I did some research :)
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  4. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    There are pretty girls on the website, so it must be OK.
  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Call it apophenia, but to me it looks similar to MUST's recently updated site.
  6. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Oh, no! Not MUST again!
  7. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    I MUST say that I agree.
  8. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    This all over again!
  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Actually, this time it was

    Tsk, tsk.
  10. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Surely can't be
    Talking about me.
  11. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

  12. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Please wait for a site operator to respond.

    You are now chatting with 'Sam Clark'

    Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Zack Stevens'.

    You are now chatting with 'Zack Stevens'

    Zack Stevens: Hello there!

    Zack Stevens: How can i assist you?

    Dan: Hello, Im interested in a Bachelors degree in Criminal Justice, do you offer that?

    Zack Stevens: Yes we do

    Zack Stevens: How many years of experience do you have in this field and what is your highest level of education?

    Dan: How long would it take for me to complete that? I have a HS diploma and about 15 community college credits. Ive been working in the field (bail recovery agent) for about 4 years.

    Zack Stevens: Very good

    Zack Stevens: It would take 15 days for you to have your degree documents

    Zack Stevens: This is a life experience degree program for qualified individuals

    Dan: Just 2 weeks?

    Zack Stevens: With that experience and education you can easily qualify for the bachelors degree

    Zack Stevens: Yes let me tell you how this works

    Dan: Thats great!

    Zack Stevens: What we do is we take down your life experience and convert them into credit hours. If these credit hours are equivalent to the credit hours that are required to complete your desired degree then you qualify and we award the degrees accordingly.

    Dan: Is the school accredited?

    Zack Stevens: Yes the school is fully accredited

    Dan: By who?

    Zack Stevens: ACOHE

    Dan: What is that?

    Zack Stevens: accreditation council for online higher education

    Dan: Okay, sounds good to me. What do I need to do?

    Dan: Hello?

    I got tired of waiting and logged off.....I was going to try to pin him down on accreditation, but maybe they're wise to our games. :biggrin:
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Birds of a VERY bad feather!

    These critters - McFord (mentioned by Dr. Bear) Western Advanced and MUST (mentioned by MC) DO indeed appear related. I think they're part of the crowded stable of uh-skools run by a mill-meister of Karachi, Pakistan - a Mr. Koreshi. I forget his first name. I'm sure Dr. Bear could fill you in on HIM, no problems.

    Here's a link with most of the Koreshi uh-skools and THEN some: McFord University Scam | Diploma Mill Scam

  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Spelling correction. The Karachi serial mill-meister's name is SALEM KURESHI. The connection between his many bogus schools, including MUST, Western Advanced and McFord has been documented before, by people who know WAY more about degree mills than I do.

    I think maybe this is another good job for a team of Navy Seals....

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  15. geoffs

    geoffs Member

    This could be the new thing: contacting this live chat with wacky names and see what they say.

    Amanda Hugginkiss, physical therapist
    Al Coholic, Masters in Chemistry

  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Amanda Hugginkiss? AMANDA HUGGINKISS?! Why can't I find Amanda Hugginkiss?
  17. geoffs

    geoffs Member

    Unlike the Accreditation Council for Online Higher Education (ACOHE) or Western Advanced Central University, your standards are too high!

    PS: nice setup
  18. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Because she is already dating Al Coholic.
  19. yuccabrevifolia

    yuccabrevifolia New Member

    Interesting timing. I just checked some of my LinkedIn groups. Both McFord and MUST are posting to some of the education groups there promising 100% scholarships and such. The funny thing is they are posting to groups like ISTE and Technology in Education. These are ed tech professional groups. I guess they haven't figured out yet where to look for 'prospects' on LinkedIn.
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    All Kureshi's schools etc. are a complete waste of time. It doesn't really matter whether his people figure LinkedIn out - or they don't. The professionals will instantly recognize the efforts of low-level spammers for garbage "schools."

    It may take the less-experienced a second or two -- but they'll get the picture fast.

    Kureshi is wasting his time. Unfortunately, he is wealthy, or so I'm told, so he can afford to waste his time...


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