CCU and DETC accreditation

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by CKS, Jan 3, 2005.

  1. CKS

    CKS New Member

    I believe the accreditation meeting of DETC is January 7 and 8th. Any thoughts on whether CCU will gain accreditation this time or is it anyone's guess?
  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Welcome to DegreeInfo, CKS. Per your very first post, IMO, CCU will make the grade this time. If not, they may not pursue it further.
  3. Broderick

    Broderick New Member

    Here we go again.

    Here we go again, another week of debate and hate. Enough of the poo-pooing already! Let the DETC make it's decision and no gloating allowed from any camp no matter what the outcome!


  4. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Re: Here we go again.

    :D :D

    You make it sound like the members of this site are divided up into tribes. :D

    Some say we all think the same way, but me thinks there are many tribes and views here. ;)
  5. Mary A

    Mary A Member

    Hi Everyone - Just a reminder that DETC can defer a school for up to a year. I don't believe I ever heard for sure that CCU was deferred for only 6 months so it is possible that they may not be up for consideration on this go around - then again they may be :D

    Personally, I prefer to avoid discussions of this nature since one can never truly know the outcome until the voting is over and the school has officially been notified.

    Mary A
  6. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    I am hoping they get it. It has been discussed to death and time will tell.
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Hope so.
    We'll see.

    Now, was that so hard? The disagreements always stem from people who are mad about DETC's lesser form of accreditation--or mad at the people who point it out. Perhaps if they put their energies into helping DETC improve and increase in acceptability....naw. That would be too simple.
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Such as........
  9. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Hi Mary. I assume that you know more about this than pretty much anyone here, and that you probably aren't at liberty to talk.

    But... My understanding is that at least a dozen schools are DETC candidates (or whatever DETC calls them) and that no action was taken on any of them at the last meeting. (I'm personally watching University of Philosophical Research, which I kind of like.)

    So were they all individually deferred for reasons internal to each one's application process? Or was the whole matter of deciding on new inductees deferred for reasons internal to DETC?
  10. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    I would find it very interesting for CCU to be defered yet again.
  11. Mary A

    Mary A Member

    HI Bill - I don't agree that I know more than anyone around here on this topic, but thanks for the vote of confidence. As you must surely know I tend to be very cautious when speaking about the DETC because I am not on the staff. However, I do know the rules.

    A school can be deferred for a year - and that time can be extended by the commission. A school is not automatically reviewed at the 6 month mark so the fact that no action was taken could mean that they were not on agenda. Each school is unique. Each application is considered independently so I believe each was deferred for reasons internal to their application process rather than your other suggested alternative i.e. a reason internal to the DETC.

    The Commission in my opinion and based on quite a few years of experience is fair, and views itself as a positive, constructive agency engaged in the work of protecting the public and helping institutions become better. As former president of a school that was deferred its first time applying I can personally attest to the fact that while painful to a school, a deferral is the right thing to have happen. A school that is deferred and which then acts on the recommendations will be a better school.

    Next week will be interesting to say the least.
  12. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Hi CKS: Welcome aboard. Last year there was a really stupid spate of speculation right before the DETC meeting. That's what triggered the testy tenor of some responses. As a newbie you are nicely naive about ancient history here. [DAMN! I just hate it when the alliteration tic adversely acts up. Please try to ignore it.] You ask a good question. We'll just have to wait and see. Janko
  13. Mary A

    Mary A Member

    Hi Dave - I wouldn't find it interesting if they were deferred. I wouldn't speculate about it either because I don't know what they were asked to do, how long they were deferred or if they have been able to act on the recommendations. Some recommendations can take longer than 6 months to execute - the commission is not going to look at promises to act so basically I am suggesting that there are too many variables to form any opinion about what happens to them next week.

    Mary A
  14. uncle janko

    uncle janko member


    Also, the worst and most self-interested of the prior disputants are now on another board calling us "social misfit asses," apparently for questioning their collective wisdom and continuing to refute, in post after post, their beloved big lie of unanimity of opinion being enforced on this board. Of course, no one on that other board is permitted (or else brave enough) to challenge the big lie--not even persons who post on both boards. I think of one CCU student who posts here and then is especially abusive on the other board.

    This is illustrative, CKS, of what is at stake in civil discussion. It also illustrates why it's best at times just to wait and see. The worst of the prior disputants happily issued ukases decreeing what DETC would do, and denouncing anybody who disagreed either with the accuracy of their prediction or the desirability of the outcome they desired. (I agreed with the desirability of the outcome and got trashed anyway.) The trashing of other targets relative to CCU/DETC continues. But not here.

    I don't have a dog in the CCU fight, by the way.
  15. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    I find the above mentioned behavior, posting here and then very negitively elsewhere, especially interesting. I guess it says a lot about his/her personality. Also as you mentioned, it is kind of funny to hear complaints from some that they are much more guility of themselves. Oh well, I guess that is part of being human.
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  16. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member


    I think that is what I said! :) I always appreciate your posts Mary, even when I disagree! Hope you are having a great new year!
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I agree with Mary that a continued deferment of CCU would not, in and of itself, tell us much. Perhaps it would be a continuation of whatever caused the first deferral. Or, perhaps, DETC didn't get around to CCU. Or, perhaps, DETC expects to take longer than now to completely evaluate CCU. Or, get the picture.

    I considered the first deferral of CCU a negative thing. (It they were accreditable, why weren't they accredited?) But, without further insights from DETC, a continuation of that status wouldn't reveal anything. Now, if they were accredited or denied, that would tell us a lot! (Or if CCU resumed their doctoral programs like SCUPS and Century....)
  18. David Boyd

    David Boyd New Member

    With respect to schools that may or may not be on DETC’s January Agenda, keep in mind that just because a school has been on DETC’s list of applicants for an extended period of time does not mean that they are deep in the process.

    The application is the easy part. The SER (Self-Evaluation Report) is the complicated document which many applicant schools never submit.

    Only after DETC receives the SER is a site visit even scheduled.
  19. Mary A

    Mary A Member

    Hi Dave - yes you did - but only as it related to CCU. I know there are a lot of other schools on the list for whom next week will be at least as interesting :D

    Thanks for your kind comments and Yes I am having a great new year! I hope you are as well.

  20. Regarding California Coast University!

    Hello Forum Members

    I spoke with Susan Reilly of DETC yesterday and she told me to call back next week to find out the results of their site visit with California Coast University. I am posting her contact information from an email I received last month.

    Susan M. Reilly
    Director of Accreditation
    Accrediting Commission of the
    Distance Education and Training Council
    E-mail: [email protected]
    202-234-5100, ext. 103

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