CCU and DETC accreditation

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by CKS, Jan 3, 2005.

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Rich, if you will simply do a search you will find a few others. One doesn't post anymore. I don't want to mention any names. I have decided it's best to let others speak for themselves.
     
  2. Mary A

    Mary A Member

    Re: Rushing to, um, judgment, or, nobody here but us sneaky chickens

    You're forgiven, just so long as there is no ex-lax laden pizzas THIS weekend :D

    Mary
     
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  3. CKS

    CKS New Member

    And others schools that DETC has accredited have not been attacked over the years? Folks used to be highly critical of Columbia Southern University. But look at where they are at now. DETC needs to accredit schools based upon each school's academic merit--not public perception.
     
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    This thread is not about "...others schools...," it's about CCU.
     
  5. CKS

    CKS New Member

    And DETC accreditation is not about public perception and/or statements about a school, it is about academic standards.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Accreditation is very much about public perception and public statements about a school.

    The main purpose of accreditation is to let everyone know that the accredited school has meet accepted standards. Let's take WAUC as another example. WAUC accredits schools. When it does so it has the same purpose except that those of us that know WAUC know that accreditation from WAUC does not ensure anything except that a check has cleared. This is an example of public perception of WAUC.

    DETC would be unwise to accredit a school that was vulnerable to significant negative publicity. Negative publicity of a DETC accredited school would hurt the reputation of DETC and therefore all the schools holding DETC accreditation. It would be unwise, IMHO, to separate public perceptions and/or public statements about a school from the considerations of whether or not DETC should accredit a school.
     
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  7. CKS

    CKS New Member


    So accreditation is a popularity contest? Perhaps you should asked your friends at DETC about whether they base their decisions upon academic standards or whether they accredit based upon public perspection. I did in June. They clearly informed me that they evaluated the academic standards of the institutions they accredit. They continued their conversation with me that if they accredit based upon perception, based upon the overwhelming responses they received from satisfied CCU graduates, they would have granted CCU accreditation at that point in time.
     
  8. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    A little perspection is a turrible thing, boss, turrible, expeshully in ejjication.
     
  9. stock

    stock New Member

    well said !
     
  10. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    Aren't public perceptions based in some part on academic considerations? These aren't necessarily antithetical forces here.

    I think that DETC really does have to think about its own reputation. It owes that to all of the schools that it accredits. When schools are presented as being DETC accredited, the accreditor is extending its own reputation over them.

    Does DETC want to compete with the regional accreditors in the public eye? Does it want to be seen as upholding equivalent academic standards? If so, then DETC probably needs to think about inducting some reasonably high-profile candidates and about promoting greater scholarship and academic participation by its members. That's doubly true if DETC has real ambitions of accrediting doctoral programs and of having its schools host the scholarly activity that goes along with that.

    Or is DETC satisfied to be perceived as the accreditor of last resort, as a home for second-rate schools that wouldn't make the cut at the regional accreditors?

    In other words, some of its applicants might be putting DETC on the spot. What if some of the new applicants have worked hard to upgrade their academics in order to qualify and truly do meet all of DETC's standards? But what if they have a well established reputation for...well... not measuring up?

    If DETC rejects them despite all of their efforts to improve, not only would that be unfair, it would send a message to all of the other iffy schools that trying to shape up is fruitless.

    But if DETC does accept schools with less than stellar reputations, it doesn't really make the rest of the world more confident that DETC members are academically comparable with all the better known RA schools.

    It's kind of a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' deal. Perceptions do count.
     
  11. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    I don't think that'll be an issue. DETC seems to have cleaned up their process nicely over the last few years and it is their long-term actions that will create their reputation.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I never said that it was a popularity contest. Of course the academic standards must be meet.

    The point I was trying to make (remember the WAUC analogy) is that DETC should take into account their own reputation as part of the criteria when extending accreditation to new schools. They owe at least that much to the schools that are already accredited by DETC.

    I was not disrespecting CCU. I've said many times that I expect CCU to eventually get accredited. When the decision was made to postpone the accreditation decision on CCU it was very near the conclusion of Senator Collins wonderful and informative investigation. I don't know if that played a part in the postponment but, if it did, I would consider it a wise consideration.
     
  13. Kirkland

    Kirkland Member

    Rich: No, in my agreement, I was thinking more about attacks from the media, not this forum. Actually, this forum has been fairly benign for some time on the subject of CCU.
     
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  14. Kirkland

    Kirkland Member

    Re: Rushing to, um, judgment, or, nobody here but us sneaky chickens

    We have always suspected you were in cahoots with Dr. Evil!
     
  15. oscar

    oscar New Member

    Status of DETC PH.D Proposal????

    Does anyone have the latest on the DETC proposal regarding Ph.D's? I sent an email to Sue at DETC but haven't heard back yet. I'm particularly interested in whether the proposed provision requiring that a DETC accreditated school has to be accreditated by DETC 24 months before application.

    Thanks,

    Oscar
     
  16. Kirkland

    Kirkland Member

    Re: Status of DETC PH.D Proposal????

    If I understand your question correctly, you are asking whether a school must have been accredited for 2 years before they can be granted approval for a doctorate program? The current proposal indicates 2 years.

    I estimate that a limited pilot program will be instituted in 2005-2006. If successful, which I believe they'll be, you should see schools approved to grant certain doctorates somewhere between June 2007 and Jan 2008 (just my crystal ball).
     
  17. oscar

    oscar New Member

    DETC Doctorate Pilot

    Thanks Rod

    Since I asked the question, I've seen responses on this website which seems to indicate that DETC will only pursue professional doctorates not the research PH.D. I also read somewhere that there will be no pilot. Of course, I could have misunderstood.
     

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