Azteca University - International - Foreign Credential Evaluation

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Garp, Jul 27, 2022.

  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    One thing that's not a valid epistemology is relying solely on nominal income amounts in US dollars as the only measure of a vastly different society. Especially when it's used as a gotcha in an online fight. Just sayin'.
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It doesn't reflect well on Azteca. It really doesn't.
  3. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    OIUCM started as a school for acupuncture with a registration as a place for training in this area but no degree granting authority from Sri Lanka but tolerated because alternative medicine is mainly non regulated. The school has a history of abuse by granting degrees in any area and by licensing this degree right to many offshore operations so at some point there were so many schools granting degrees with the OUICM authority that it became a degree factory.

    Azteca does not care much, it is just printing propio degrees with no Mexican degree granting authority so they are just milking the cow at this point. Legally they can print papers as long as they put the label "propio degree". Those degrees carry no official value in Mexico so technically they are just diplomas with the doctor label that can fool one or two because the school is listed in the UNESCO book and not many look closely at the Mexican law.

    With so many master propio degree opportunities in the 100 USD range from mexican, spanish and other schools, the only reason someone would look for the Azteca degree that is expensive is because you are getting a doctorate.

    OUICM seems to have some reputation in acupuncture and other AM areas but for their on campus training. I know few people that got training there to practice in Canada mainly because of cost as similar training in Canada is very expensive.

    To be quite honest, the Azteca deal would only have value if you could get a NACES evaluation service degree equivalency as this is what is respected. Few people have posted here and there few reports from NACES services giving Azteca degrees RA status in the US. I am not sure if those reports are real but regardless of personal feelings about the Azteca operation, the diplomas could carry some value for professional purpose if the NACES certificate can be obtained. US immigration can fast track PhD holders for permanent resident visas for example, so the value can be there for some.

    From the ethical perspective, I agree that OUICM has to prove itself to be honest in this new venture given their cloudy past.
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  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    OUICM can also be overstating a degree validation agreement and claiming to be a sri lanka campus of Azteca. They are using their logos all over the website and claiming that they are an Azteca branch campus in Sri Lanka. Azteca might not even be aware of this so it can be just a big scam from OUICM to attract customers.
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    One scammer, scamming another. Sure. It happens.
    Legally, it would seem so. Ethically, a different matter entirely.
    From the ethical perspective, this whole unholy union is a horror-show. I doubt OIUCM is interested in "proving its honesty." These two institutions deserve each other.
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Indeed. OR - there might be a very small office on OIUCM premises, possibly with a laser printer, that is the "Azteca Sri Lanka campus" by mutual agreement.

    Two possible "nefarious scenarios." Perhaps there are more.
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I got an email from a propio degree from a US school, it does not appear to be recognized though:

    The deal here:

    2 for the price of 1 from a US university.
  8. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    Quote: "What type of University is the UIP?
    The UIP (University Institute for Progress) is a Private University aimed at online education for adults. It is not a traditional university, but it is accepted and recognized by the University of California FCE, which guarantees the quality of teaching and content taught, as well as the flexible learning method that can be combined with work.

    The UIP can issue private titles at the same time that it can make the equivalence with any training with the University of California.

    The UIP is not a public university, so it lacks registration in the North American education area, given that to operate as a private university this requirement is NOT necessary thanks to the International Certifiers that carry out the recognition work."

    The whole thing seems to be a gateway to getting CUFCE recognition in the U.S. ;-)
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Not a propio. But certainly recognized by a familiar source, per their webpage.

    At UIP we offer Continuing Education, Technical Careers and Diplomas, as well as Official Master's Degrees and Bachelors Degree in Spanish , thanks to the recognition and issuance of Certifications through the University of California FCE

    That's all I have to say. Oops. tadj said it all first.
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Biologists call this symbiosis, I think. :)
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    CUFCE grants degree equivalency certificates based on a high school license in California. University of America is doing the same thing, they might be operated by the same people. They have been shutdown at least once but the legal system allows them to operate, a high school can grant non accredited degrees is California apparently.

    Too bad, it look like a good deal, two degrees for 350.
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is not accredited but it seems to be registered. Non accredited education can satisfy continuing education hours for some professions like teachers.

    Most likely the same people of marketcursos or eudes registered the school from spain and grant their own degree through the US system. Spanish customers might feel compelled to impress people with an American degree.

    Again, for 350 for double masters, you cannot ask for much.. Azteca would charge for the same deal thousands of dollars with the same value.
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I paid less than that for my Movado watch. THAT was a good deal. Same with my Mathey-Tissot. I also paid less than that (each) for my "new to me" Takamine, Ibanez and Yamaha guitars. THEY were good deals. Recognized quality. This isn't.
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't know to whom. It is unresponsive to my post, despite being a response to it.
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yes, blatantly deceptive. Down to their use of "The Regents of CALIFORNIA UNIVERSITY foreifn credential evaluation" creative fonts on their "diplomas". A program using them as their "accreditation" scheme is automatically unworthy.

    I wonder if someone knows of a foreign credential evaluation company that produces frameable evaluation reports, while not being fraudulent. I seem to recall seeing someone other than CUFCE doing that, for extra fee.
  16. Steven Nguyen

    Steven Nguyen New Member

    One of my friends of a friend graduated from this university. He shared with me his degree and transcripts. The MOE in my current country (Thailand) recognizes this degree because it was issued from a university on UNESCO WHED list and also in Mexico's MOE-recognized university list. He can use this degree to teach part-time at some local university while still doing his main job as CEO of a construction company.
    For me, this rule (check the validity and accreditation of the university only, not care about the program) is prevalent in Asian and developing countries.

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  17. Steven Nguyen

    Steven Nguyen New Member

    I contacted this university and they offer me a tuition fee of about 6k USD which can be paid in 3 installments (Upon enrollment, thesis proposal, and thesis completion). Well, I am considering this option
  18. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    Azteca grants the "own degrees" based on this law:

    "Article 59 - Individuals providing services for which they are given studies without recognition of official validity, shall mention it in their relevant documentation and publicity." (Mexican General Law on Education)

    As you can see, the article is fairly short. It doesn't really go into any detail about these "studies without recognition of official validity." It doesn't even talk about doctorates. Generally, I am not in favor of any "own degrees" at the doctoral level. A real Mexican doctorate has a RVOE number that you can verify. If Thailand currently approves this foreign degree for teaching purposes based solely on the WHED university listing, it may have some limited regional utility. But in terms of recognition, this thing would likely be rejected as a genuine doctorate within the global academic community and you should ideally consider other factors (besides temporary acceptance of the degree) when making your decision.
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  19. Steven Nguyen

    Steven Nguyen New Member

    Thank you for your suggestion. The distance learning mode is still cope with difficulity in term of degree recognization in Asean. For example, in my home country (Vietnam), the MOE only recognized distance learning degree from registered - and - approved programs with the MOE. It means that even you graduate with Havard or Yale online degrees, these ones are not recognized. For private sector, it is another matter.
    Back to Thailand, the online degrees can be recognized by MOE, but they are ususally not accepted for Interior Ministry when hiring civil servant. It sounds ready rediculos to me. So I and my friends can use our UK online master degrees to teach full time or part- time and get teaching licenses but are not qualified to civil servants in university
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  20. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Interesting stuff, @Steven Nguyen.

    To tease out more details, is it the responsibility of the governments in your two countries (Thailand & Vietnam) to validate foreign degrees? As opposed to the norm in the US, Canada, and other nations where WES and other private, but approved organizations look at transcripts and make their own interpretation.

    If so, do you know if either country's government offices offer some kind of listing of approved universities or degrees? Something akin to Germany's ANABIN system?

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