Ashworth College now part of the National Transfer Network

Well, it looks like you need to get to work Poptech. As the self-appointed champion of the masses who better than you to compile the list of "every accredited school". If you feel so strongly about helping everyone you should embrace this with much gusto.

I look forward to seeing the results.

Good luck!

 

But, I have recommended for-profits, so this whole argument is moot.

That is not what I said. Please go back a reread that post. I did NOT say that no for-profit requires an entrance exam.

I agree with Steve and Novadar. You have some work to do. I await your results.

Central tendency does suggest a norm depending on the standard deviation.

I know how to find illegal things; I just choose not to. It doesn't really fit well with my field.

So it's only okay for you to use anecdotal evidence?

Well, I did say licensing. Almost all of the licensed occupations that require a degree have accreditation requirements. There really isn't a need to list all of them.

You're projecting. Some people are very concerned about the reputation of for-profits and online schools. Some people are even concerned about the reputations of unranked, non-profit schools. You made this big deal about me recommending that people should search their local options first, but you seem to be backpedaling now. Your original question was not about self-paced programs that offer the same rates nationally. You're just moving the goalpost. You asked for RA schools that are cheaper than PF and Ashworth.

It doesn't change the fact that some colleges have profited off of taking advantage of the ill-informed. Some have even been documented recruiting veterans with brain damage.

Some of these programs are starting up this year. Some started being offered last year.

Have you missed what I've been saying this whole time? I've done more to give people options of where they can transfer their NA credits than you have in this thread. I even listed schools that aren't in Ashworth's transfer network.

This is a repeat of what you said earlier. You're simply just moving the goalpost. That was not your question.

I received grants at the full award when I made well over $20k per year. Most grant money goes to people who make less than $20k. All that means is that more than 50% of the grant money goes to people who make less than $20k per year because 1. they qualify and 2. they qualify for higher awards. It does not mean that thousands to possibly millions of people who make over $20k do not qualify for grants. Some might receive a smaller award while others who just make a few thousand over $20k will still get a full award.

Yes, I have. I went without cable tv for years. I had a prepaid cell phone where I would buy $10 or $20 worth of minutes when I needed them. It makes more sense these days to drop the landline and just get a cheap cell phone plan. My job at the time, security, required a cell phone at many posts because there were no phones available for clocking in or if an emergency occurred.

But, only Ashworth is currently this cheap. PF is not that cheap. Their semester tuition rates are based off of $79 per credit hour. You get a small discount for automated payments; you get a larger discount for paying in full.

 

I spoke to the vet

I spoke to the vet just a few minutes ago. The horse is really dead.
Really. Dead. :dead:

 

It is a shame with all the time and resources invested here you guys should have done this by now via crowd sourcing.

 

I am just better than you and most people here.

 

That may or may not be accurate. And of course, no one (including you) is able to prove or disprove your own presumption. Certainly … everyone on this forum already knew that … including yourself. To date, I have read nothing in your posts that offer a cogent argument which will support your self-claim of preeminent Google search competence. Just saying… :smokin:

 

I also said NA schools.

Actually it is what you said, "...for-profits rarely require admissions or placement exams"

Without the data to look at this is unknown.

So who is the better shopper?

I am simply making a point so you can see what I mean.

This is a circular argument, since there are not that many it should be easy to list. So far we have Architecture, Counseling, Law, Medical and Teaching but is also largely dependent on the state.

Again, by now you should have a highly accurate list you can present to people of the handful of occupations that require RA for licensing instead of blanket open-ended statements that can be misleading.

Not at all and when you say "unranked" which ranking? A school could be unranked on one list but ranked on another. There are dozens of these lists. If you look hard enough you can find a ranking for most schools, even Ashworth and Penn Foster.

Strawman argument, now you are completely misrepresenting my argument. I believe people should check all options and go with the lowest priced option. My clarification and pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument is not moving the goal posts. The RA schools you mentioned were only potentially cheaper if you lived in their district and we never got a final cost once all fees and books were factored in. These are legitimate concerns and misleading to someone who does not live in those districts.

This is nonsense, no school is responsible for the ignorance of the students when they enroll. Nor can you hold a school responsible for an unknown condition a student who enrolls may have.

These are still largely a fantasy.

I have no idea if your advice is accurate as it would need to be independently confirmed. Not to mention potentially accepting some credits as opposed to accepting someone's entire degree are two different things. By now though you guys should have this information easily available to anyone seeking it.

No those were clarifications to your responses which were not helpful to most people. Since there were obvious flaws in your argument with those RA schools.

The far majority of college and university students do not receive grants.

Sorry to hear that but most people are not in this situation.

Penn Foster gives you the 4th Semester at no cost too but can be as low as $3318 for an associates depending on the major.

 

No it is accurate, as I am sure there a few technically competent individuals here. This is besides the point as anyone technically competent would not recommend that someone else simply "Google" the information. That is irresponsible, since Google results are filled with inaccurate and erroneous nonsense. Most people are not good at vetting reliable sources and incorrectly believe sites like Wikipedia are reliable.

 

Again, incorrect. I am telling you (not suggesting) that I am better than you and most everyone here. I am also not necessarily suggesting there is anyone here better than I - though anything is possible (e.g. software engineer at Google or another search engine?). What is more likely is that there are a few just as good as I am since you have a tech forum.

 

I recommend Penn Foster's ACE-approved schools. I recommend looking at NA schools if someone wants to complete a degree for personal fulfillment. Even with the savings one would receive at Ashworth or Penn Foster, those costs can go way up depending on which school you choose. So, I focus on schools where someone can complete a whole bachelor's for less than $6,000.

Rarely" is not the same as "no" or "zero." Are you really being serious here?

Searching the Internet for illegal copies of intellectual property is not shopping.

As did I.

You don't know what kinds of statements I make because you obviously haven't read many of my posts on this topic. I tell people to check their states' requirements.

A ranking that is widely recognized and publishes its methodology and definitely not one of those marketing lists. Any list that has UoP and ITT Tech at the top is not going to be taken seriously by people who know better.

When I asked "what's the problem with presenting RA alternatives that meet the same needs as the NA schools being considered," you said "because of cost." Obviously, cost is a need. Then, you continued to make a big deal out of me suggesting RA alternatives and telling people to search their local options. If you really have no problem with this, then this whole debate is pointless.

They don't know? Oh, yes they do because they specifically target them.

For-Profit Colleges Target the Military - Businessweek

Penn Foster and Ashworth are just two schools, so it doesn't matter if there are currently only a few CCs offering competency-based programs. Tuition rates for these types of programs tend to be a flat term rate.

Bellevue accepts whole associate's degrees from any accredited school.
Community College and Transfer Students | Bellevue University

Since you are so passionate about this, then you should compile a list. Most of my efforts go toward helping people complete RA degrees cheaply because that is what I'm passionate about.

Those are just examples of what people can find if they bother to search. I'm not going to look at the tuition rates of thousands of 2-year colleges. It's easy for an individual to search their own local area when they need to.

And, the far majority of students choose to attend college on campus instead of online programs, so what is your point? We're dealing with different groups. The demographics of online students are not the same as the overall demographics.

And, most people choose their colleges even though they know there are cheaper options out there. So, everyone is not in a situation where they would want to attend Ashworth, Penn Foster, or any cheap school.

 

Every time you shout into the wind about your Google-fu, Inigo Montoya comes to mind.

 

Yet again you offer no concrete evidence to back your claim/s … apart from blowing your own horn AND self-determining, unknown to you, board members’ technical competence levels; and all this conjecture after a massive 37 postings…

Should we continue to feed the troll?: :shrug:

 

But that information is misleading, as an NA degree would meet the requirements of almost all of the jobs being advertised today.

What schools can you complete a whole bachelor's for less than $6,000 by only taking courses at that school? The closest I am aware is Ashworth if you got an associates there and used it towards your bachelors for about $6790. The other being University of the People.

Quote where I said "no" or "zero", it helps to read what someone actually says.

Paying nothing beats cheap.

Incorrect, you were using unsubstantiated anecdotes because you lacked fact based arguments. I was doing it so you could experience the same thing.

So where is your highly accurate list you present to people of the handful of occupations that require RA for licensing?

Those lists are all subjective one way of the other. Though I will agree some are likely better than others.

For anyone that cannot get grants and is not wealthy, cost is a very big deal. My issue is that you suggest RA alternatives that are maybe more expensive than perfectly acceptable but cheaper NA schools. Since one of my main concerns is costs, I have no problem if an RA schools is cheaper but I believe people should be given a choice of an NA school if it is cheaper.

Wow, now you libeling these schools as that article explicitly says they target the military. Absolutely nothing in these schools recruitment methods shows that they are targeting people with "brain-damage", which is deceitfully implying they are trying to scam such people.

Just because you do not like for-profit schools does not give you the right to try and smear them like this. It is clear these schools are targeting military personnel and those with physical (not mental) war injuries since an online education would be advantageous to someone who would have physical trouble in a traditional class room setting.

It matters if the ones offering it are not cheaper.

It does not say that.

"If you're transferring from a community college to Bellevue University and have already earned an associate's degree – congratulations! We accept ALL associate’s degrees"

You cannot expect people to search over 4000 schools and those examples can be misleading as it may not reflect what a prospective student has available in their area.

Maybe that will change if people become more aware of their options. According to 4-year old data 68% or the large majority of distance learners are going to be very concerned with cost. So it would make sense to focus on cost.

I am highly skeptical of this and believe if they do it is because of unsubstantiated fear-mongering or for "prestige" reasons.

 

I am not going to train you how to properly use Google. Most people incorrectly believe they "know" how to use Google, very few actually do. At least novadar attempted some pseudo-technical commentary the rest who are upset know nothing but likely thought they did. Since no one has come out as employed as a software engineer for a search engine or something equivalent I doubt there are many here with any real skills. Don't get your feeling hurt over these things as most people do on non-technical forums when told the truth.

My point was simply that you should be careful who you make ridiculous suggestions to.

Lets take major56 for instance, why is his font always Time New Roman in his posts and not the forum default. His name is typical of a novice Internet user, any name followed by a number is like this.

Then of course there are the people who use the term "Google-fu" - something not used by anyone with real skills but rather by people attempting to sound technical.

etc...

Why the need to smear me as a troll when my initial intent was simply to inform people of something not discussed here?

 

You continue in not providing [any] meaningful evidence backing your claim-to-fame. Discrediting you as a troll is my observation via your posts. Get over it … Too, you may want to consider self-incorporating your own counsel, e.g., not getting your feelings hurt (?). BTW, mine aren't...

P.S. I choose to use TNR vs the default font /my preference. Nonetheless, read whatever you may into that… :smokin:

 

Attempting to smear me as a troll does not discredit me. Your improper use of the word troll also designates an Internet novice.

I have read all I need to know based on your choice of emoticons.