APUS Has A Profession Doctorate Poll

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  1. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    We’re doing research on doctoral programs and the potential of offering them at APUS. Please take our brief survey to let us know what interests you!


    https://survey.vovici.com/se.ashx?s=6D5A2ED770FBCD0F


    I stated how about a DA ( Doctorate of Arts) in History or Military Studies. They ( as you will read) are not considering PhDs at this time....
     
  2. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    I see that APUS now has a VP & Dean, Doctoral Studies; so perhaps we might see a doctorate offeredin the not too distant future.
     
  3. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Well, I know that they are sharing everyone's feedback with thier Academics team, so who knows. I know that since they are still in the preliminary stages of research, they don't have an answer to the specific question of when it might start. I know they are looking into it. I would say this is very promising.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Otherwise it means they're paying someone for nothing, which most for-profits don't usually do. :smile:
     
  5. DxD=D^2

    DxD=D^2 Member

  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member


    This is her: AMU Faculty Member: Elena Mastors

    From her LinkedIn page:

    Washington State University
    PhD, political science, political psychology, international affairs
    1994 – 1998

    In other words, they have a person who lacks a doctorate in either education or someone who holds a professional doctorate, even though they propose to create them. Perhaps that isn't a big deal, though.
     
  7. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    So, she has a legit PhD. She seems to be multi-talented and well-qualified for her position. Nice.
     
  8. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not seeing this as a big deal. She has a PhD and current experience in higher education.
     
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Academic administration requires knowing a lot about a number of things, but it isn't brain surgery. She seems perfectly well qualified to me.
     
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Perhaps it requires first-hand experience with this topic to appreciate the distinctions.
     
  12. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    I assume they will provide a DBA with concentrations in military and general business applications.
     
  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I voted "very interested" for homeland security, global health/public health, international relations, and public policy. I think I voted "somewhat interested" for emergency management and intelligence studies. Sorry, I did this last night. I wouldn't mind seeing a doctorate in criminal justice either since that's hard to find online. I have no interest in seeing another DBA or doctor in education. Public service & Leadership just sounds very unmarketable to me.
     
  14. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    Right, like the first hand experience that APUS officials have that lead them to hire Dr. Mastors.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Oh, that doesn't make them right. That's just an appeal to authority, which is a significant fallacy in critical thinking.

    The person they hired doesn't have a professional doctorate. She doesn't have a doctorate in higher education of any kind, either. She might very well do a great job, but her qualifications are not a good fit for creating professional doctoral programs and creating the distinctions (from academic doctorates) such programs will require. Her bio indicates no comparable experiences (creating doctoral programs--of any kind, much less professional doctorates) as well.

    Again, she might tear it up and do a fantastic job. But what I'm asserting is still true.

    I wonder if having a doctorate in higher education would qualify someone on this board to make assessments about all of this? Or having more than three decades of experience in developing adults in academic and workplace settings? Or being ABD in another, professional doctorate in developing adult learners? Naw, that would be silly. Ungrounded opinions are much better. :smile:

    I'm looking forward to what she creates. APUS seems to be getting most things right; they'll probably nail this, too.
     
  16. major56

    major56 Active Member

    I’m in agreement with you on this one Rich. Not convinced what Elena Mastors’ PhD in Poli Sci and/or her past professional experience /qualification has to do with this newest endeavor [creating professional doctoral programs] at AMU /APUS (?). It appears that this selection was /is essentially an internal nominee decision with little to no prior objective assessment rendered toward a suitable track record (e.g., a political choice [?]) …
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yes, she was an internal choice. But that might help her success--if the organizational culture is a factor in creating the programs she'll be undertaking. If not, it's just one more indicator that they should have looked around a bit.
     
  18. major56

    major56 Active Member

    I understand, as do you, the organizational culture aspect and potential value of such; even so, nothing in her CV indicates IMO her being qualified for this newest project. Again, only my view as an outsider …
     
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    No one could argue that your opinion isn't well informed, but it's pretty arrogant to suggest your resume means that yours is the only well informed opinion. I've worked in higher education for a decade and have seen several doctoral programs in education from the inside. Yes, I'm missing the piece of paper, sorry about that, but I like to think I at least know my ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to this stuff. I don't see any reason that running a professional doctorate program necessarily requires a professional doctorate oneself or else a research doctorate in education. Do I think suitable candidates might be more easily found among those who have one of those? Sure. But that doesn't mean people shouldn't be considered on an individual basis, and we're talking about someone who none of us actually knows.
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Didn't say it. Didn't even imply that mine is the only informed opinion. Just that it is an informed opinion--informed by a significant amount of education and experience. Didn't say others' opinions weren't. You're making that up.

    You're also engaging in name-calling by calling me "arrogant." That's an assessment you can keep to yourself, please.
    No one said you don't. You're making that up.
    Yes. But god forbid there be a differing opinion supported by observations of fact. For that we're treated with this personal attack and diatribe. Nice.
     

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