Apollos University DBA

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  1. Blair

    Blair New Member

    Any experience with the DBA program at Apollos University? I did a search of old threads and couldn't find anything. I am a CFO of a small company and an adjunct Professor online. I have an MBA from a traditional brick and mortar school. I would be doing this mostly for personal goals as well as continued education. I also get slightly more at my adjunct position with a professional Doctorate as well as the ability to teach higher level classes. Thank you in advance for your responses.

    BBM
     
  2. Michigan68

    Michigan68 Active Member

    First . . .Check with the school your teaching at to see if they will accept a Non-Regionally Accredited School. You might not be able to teach higher level.
     
  3. Blair

    Blair New Member

    Hi Michigan68, I did check and they both accept Distance Education Accrediting Commission accreditation, so all good there. Thanks for your response.
     
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  4. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Here's one old DI thread on Apollos:
    https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/apollos-university-should-or-should-not.30952/

    However, until I read your post (welcome to DI, incidentally), I had never heard of them. I have no interest in business fields, but as a former writer in this field, l heard of most programs out there. Nonetheless, there is a principle that I find holds true 99-44/100% of the time: If you feel compelled to post on a forum like DI about a little-known program, avoid it like the plague.

    Additionally, their article on Wikipedia reads like a total puff piece - obviously written by them, and missing a lot of key information (like, how mamy students do they have?). It reads like a testimonial and, for one reason or another, was not flagged by Wikipedia (they're usually more efficient at this kind of thing).

    Finally, you mention nothing about the accreditation requirements for a professional doctorate at the school
    for which you currently teach. And when you say that it will give you "slightly more," the question is whether the return on investment is worth the tuition for an entire program.

    My advice, FWIW: Find another brick and mortar school that has a DBA available online (an area of constant discussion here on DI). And avoid Apollos, which as an "online university," comes under the heading of an oxymoron in my book. Also consider why they would have moved from California to Montana in the first place - generally, such moves mean that they would not have been permitted to operate in California had they stayed there (presuming they moved before receiving DEAC accreditation).

    Incidentally, if you have never done so, crash-course yourself in the various types and levels of accreditation. There are more and more regionally accredited programs online everyday, and, FWIW, I consider DEAC a mickey-mouse accreditation, especially at the doctoral level. Depending on the school at which you teach (or other schools a which you might teach in the future), you're highly likely to find that a DEAC-accredited doctorate will come back to bite you in the ass.
     
  5. Blair

    Blair New Member

    Thank you Steve for the warm welcome and all the detailed information. It's a great deal to think about. In comparing schools offering a DEAC accredited DBA, I wanted to keep Apollos open as an option, as I can't seem to find too many differences between Apollos and something like Anaheim or Columbia Southern.
     
  6. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    A very significant post, especially for those who want to do adjuncting later in their lives. Before you embark on an expensive RA doctorate, please first find an adjunct position with your RA master.
    Blair has it right!
     
  7. SamSam

    SamSam New Member

    Apollos University was one of the schools I locked at for totally online DBA. The issue of this school for me is that it's a for-profit. I wonder if there are DEAC/NA schools for totally online DBA (no residency requirements) that are nonprofit?
     
  8. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    There is likely some utility for an NA DBA such as an increase in pay at your current position. Most doctorates are used for teaching/research, though I am all for doing it for personal enrichment, and I would be that most NA schools are hiring RA doctorate holders as well so I am not sure on the ROI for NA doctorates. I can't answer your original question SamSam, but what is your goal with the DBA?
     
  9. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    That should be, ", and I would bet that most NA schools...."
     
  10. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

  11. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

  12. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    I can't say that I recall many reputable institutions having the MasterCard and Visa logos displayed prominently on their pages.

    They claim ACBSP accreditation and it is confirmed on ACBSP's website since 2013.

    They are also an ASIC school.
     
  13. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    It this is supported, then ACBSP has to be also called out.
     
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    So we're calling out ACBSP because the school website shows a credit card logo?
     
  15. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    No, if they are a degree mill and are ACBSP accredited.
     
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  16. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    But doesn't the accreditation status strongly suggest that they are not a degree mill? Where is this coming from?
     
  17. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    From Dr. Levicoff, of course :). Yes, they appear to be ASIC and ACBSP accredited and are likely not a mill. Phdtobe was simply saying that if they are a mill then ACBSP is involved.
     
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  18. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    To my knowledge, there’s no evidence that this school is a degree mill. Perhaps this is one of those times, as Levicoff has said, where we should not take him seriously.
     
  19. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Actually, this is not one of those times. IMO, they are a mill. And I wrote that before I found someone who apparently agreed with me, a guy named John Bear, who posted in the thread https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/horizons-university.41117/ back in 2012:

    The same thread, incidentally, includes several posts from someone who purported to be the president of Horizons, and is resplendent with the usual objections and lawsuit threats. (The guy was quite defensive and responded as a mill operator would respond.)

    My conclusion that they are a mill was reached before even reading this thread, and was based on an examination of their web site and a simple Google search. In their case, it’s not only the details that condemn them, but the absence of ingredients that should be in a legit school’s “package.”

    So, having been sued for this sort of thing, one thing I can assure you is that if I call a school a degree mill, it is one. In this case, one that skipped through the cracks when it came to U.S. accreditation.
     
  20. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Looks like the last sentence got truncated in the above. It should read, "In this case, one that slipped through the cracks when it came to U.S. accreditation by ACBSP."

    Remember, to every rule there are exceptions. Like a supposedly legit U.S. agency that accredits a degree mill that's supposedly in France. Go figure...
     

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