Accredited vs. non-accredited doctoral degree?

This scenario seems far from obvious for me. More importantly, this is not the only scenario out there. Imagine a person whose career aspiration is to be a department Chair of either Psychology or Social Sciences at a small, rural community college. Presume that this person is able to obtain a favourable evaluation of his IUGS doctorate. Where's the downside in this scenario? There's a good chance this person exists somewhere, BTW.

 

Infact:
Dempsey, Patricia L. | DSW – Silberman School of Social Work at Hunter College

 

Sorry Stanislav but your statement that there is "always" someone willing to question status and credibility of "any" school is not factual. In addition, your example of an MIT grad devaluing a Harvard degree is not relevant to the discussion of this thread, which is on the validity and credibility of IUGS'S doctorates in the US.

Of course there are individuals who obtain doctorates from very unimpressive schools which serves them well so if IUGS meets your expectations and standards as a credible degree than go for it.

 

Yes, "presuming" that this imaginary person seeking a chairman's position obtains a favorable evaluation of his IUGS doctorate. Now provide us with an ACTUAL example of such acceptance and I will sign up with IUGS timorrow.

 

As noted in one of my previous posts, a number of Social Workers seek out doctorates from IUGS for title due to the fact that it's an earned academic credential. However, this does not negate the issues and questions I raised in my previous posts or make me more secure in advocating for such a degree.

 

What's wrong with an Associate Professor at Hunter College of CUNY I mentioned above?
Without further googling, I can recall seeing a community college tenured faculty (might be a chair) with a doctorate from Empressarial of Costa Rica; he specifically stated his degree was evaluated by an agency and accepted by employer. I'm willing to speculate IUGS is a better school than Empressarial; the latter seem to continue to award degrees despite apparently no longer existing in Costa Rica.

IUGS serves none of my hypothetical needs. I'm not an ABD with bunch of credit to transfer, and for me e.g. a DBA from Heriott Watt will be a much better value. This does not mean IUGS will be a bad choice for everyone.

In fact, I'll take your challenge. To me, IUGS is not equivalent to FSU, a regionally accredited school, in credibility. On the other hand, Nortwestern Polytechnic University of California, an alleged visa mill, is still nationally accredited (ACICS). IUGS is easily a match for NPU in credibility; in fact, with a definite edge (as its negative publicity is less damning and more dated; and oh, foreign schools have higher utility than NA schools in some situations). So there.

 

And this:

It's totally factual. Such questions are not always rational; they do always exist. MIT snob would diss Harvard snob; Yale snob would diss MIT snob ("trade school"); Harvard loser would, in turn, diss a Yale degree (invent your own dumb reason). I can easily find a Crimson article where Harvard (College) student was making fun of Harvard (Extension School) student, despite being part of the same University. You can't reach for "universal" acceptance; it's not a realistic goal.

 

Btw Stanislav, I am quite certain that if a person was to get a promotion based on possessing an IUGS doctorate while their peers with regionally accredited doctorates taking three to five years to obtain versus 18 months from IUGS, did not, including a much more rigorous doctoral dissertation, animosity and conflict, whether overt or covert, would be rampant.

 

Fine; for someone seeking psychology licensure, IUGS may not be the safest choice. It is so for reasons not necessarily amounting to lack of "credibility". Similarly, going to a Caribbean medical school (even credible one) is borderline suicide due to residency matching numbers. In fact, why aspire to be a psychologist in the first place, in this job market?

 

However, the bottomline is that such pettiness does not negate the credibility of the schools you mention and are tangential to the discussion and focus of this discussion and thread which is IUGS!

 

And yet, Dr. Dempsey is tenured prof and a program director. Go figure.

Going back to a hypothetical, in a rural CC the guy in question can well be the only candidate with a Doctorate. He would also spend far longer than 18 months to get his degree, due to having an ABD status from elsewhere; in addition, CC faculty has far less ego than a R1 faculty.

To be clear, again: IUGS degree seem to be a poor choice for me , due in part to the relative prestige argument. Yet, I will not hold an IUGS doctorate (even St. Kitts vintage one) against a person.

 

What's wrong with your example is that it is an outlier, not the norm! You have no idea as to the reason why this person was promoted which may have nothing to do with her degrees but numerous other factors unrelated to her academic credentials.

What's wrong with your example of the associate professor is that you have no idea as to whether her doctorate from IUGS helped her career or whether she was promoted prior to receiving it. Nor are you privy to other factors that may have resulted in her current position. The same holds true regarding your example of the professor from Empressarial. These are anecdotal examples that don't substantiate one's position regarding the value and credibility of IUGS's doctoral degrees and do not lead to generalized conclusions as to their value in enhancing ones career.

 

As noted you are assuming that the professors IUGS degree resulted in her high position but in actuality you have no idea as to the actual basis for her obtaining this job. As far as your imaginary chairperson scenario, it's meaningless because assumptions and speculation do not take the place of actual outcomes, and in this regard you don't have any idea as to how this imaginary scenario of yours would play out.

 

I believe it is time to cease this discussion Steve because other than dining with the director of NAB and intimating that you knew better than John Bear regarding NAB accreditation, nothing new was provided to clarify the issue of legitimacy of degrees from IUGS. Have a good day.

 

I agree. It's definitely time to change the tone of things around here (and, make no mistake, I agree with Steve F.).

But I have a better idea . . . Let's just hijack the thread.

So, who do y'all prefer: Beethoven or Mozart? :silly:

 

Lightnin' Hopkins -definitely.

J.

 

I prefer YOU!

 

Or we could talk about strip clubs, that always works up quite a frenzy.

 

Hey, why hasn't Neuhaus chimed in yet on this thread? I knew something did not seem right.