5 Year Old Cuffed, Arrested

"Those were WONDERFUL days I remember
When a fellow could live like a King
And children were working in coal mines
And life was a beautiful thing"

-The Roar of the Greasepaint, the Smell of the Crowd

 

"Playing the race card" is such a vulgar way of describing this idiocy.

"Thurmond-Sharpton Syndrome" sounds much better.

 

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Two possibilities here:

(1) Maybe Ted Heiks has a ticked-off knee-jerk left-wing disestablishmentarian attitude towards all in authority.

(2) Maybe you haven't read enough of the sewage that emanates from Ted Heiks' computer to have acquired the ability to discern when he speaks tongue-in-cheek.

PS - Is there a tongue-in-cheek smiley face? How do you operate those things? - Ted.

Oh, and by the way, I seriously doubt that very many aging overweight chain-smoking manic-depressives who have previously been under investigation for allegedly attempting to buy certain things in what the cops alleged was the wrong side of town at 10 o'clock at night are even going to try out for cop school and very few would survive long enough to wear the blue if they tried.

 

If that had been my child, I would have been humiliated and ashamed at her behavior and looked at my own failures as a parent.

Think about it, as a parent, I would have to look at my child and say that she is so out of control that the police needed to handcuff her.

However, in today's ever-litigious society, the parents here have placed the blame on everyone else but himself or herself and have gone after the police. Unbelievable.

All that does is send a message to that child that she can act however she wants an there will be no consequences for her actions.

 

Amen. My experience, exactly!

Ohgod.

So that's the problem!

Bruce's point, exactly, I think.

If the five-year-old in question had had a parent with those kinds of sensibilities, I dare say, the incident would never have happened in the first place.

 

Please keep in mind that there might be organic--not social--reasons for the child's behavior. She might not be a spoiled brat; she might have behavioral problems.

Also, the school isn't set up to deal with students who are out of control. It's not like they're a mental hospital or some other health care facility who should be equipped to use soft restraints (and be staffed for it). It's a SCHOOL, for goodness' sakes. When the parent couldn't come, they did a reasonable thing: they called for help. The peace officers treated the child gently; a child that had been on top of a desk. Can you imagine if she'd fallen to the floor?

Maybe the kid is a brat. Maybe she's got mental problems. But either way, the school shouldn't be expected to manage it to that extent, and they acted prudently. No one got hurt, and now the parent is in a position to help her child. And whoever videotaped it did the right thing for everyone's protection.

 

DesElms,

If you really want to know which of my political/off-topic postings were serious and which were deliberate sewage designed to stir debate, send me a list and I'll tell you. On board or PM. Your choice. - Ted.

 

If you think this kid is bad, well...I once worked with a kid that in the first grade as the teacher was standing in front of her desk, snuck around behind the desk, climbed on top, jumped on the teachers back, and choked her until she passed out and fell to the floor.

 

Every freshmon Speech 101 student at virtually every accredited college or university in this country learns that it is the speaker/writer's responsibility to do the work of making himself/herself understood, not the responsibility of the listener/reader to do the work (or at least not an extraordinary amount of work) of understanding.

That being the case, why not use the tools provided by this version of vBulletin, and/or as set forth and made ubiquitous by time-worn Internet practice, to make yourself clear right in your posts instead of making others PM you to figure out when you're serious and when you're spewing, as you put it, "deliberate sewage designed to stir debate."

Speaking of which, I'm wondering if spewing "deliberate sewage designed to stir debate" doesn't come dangerously close to:

• Trolling: Deliberately provoking arguments on newsgroups or bulletin boards, with no other intent than to gain attention for the sake of attention; (SOURCE: 4umiweb's Glossary of Internet Terms)
  
  - AND/OR -
  
• Trolling: Deliberately posting false information in order to elicit responses from people who really want to help? (SOURCE: PCNet's Technical Terms Glossary)

Just wondering... absence of a tongue-in-cheek smiley notwithstanding.

A female adult didn't have the strength to pull a first grader's arms from around her neck and then bend at the knee a little as she released them and allowed said first grader to slide down her back until his feet touched the floor...

...all just seconds before swinging around and grabbing the sawed-off little SOB's ear and dragging him, like a ragdoll, down the hall to the principle's office? (Okay... that last part was just wishful thinking, I realize.)

Hard to believe. But, hey... who knows: Maybe she was small of stature or older or something; or maybe she was just so taken by surprise that by the time she got her mind wrapped around what was happening the kid has mostly done his job. And, as Abner will attest, I'm sure, put just the right pressure (and not very darned much, I might add) in just the right places on the neck and it only takes, literally, a couple seconds. I wasn't there, so I probably shouldn't judge... but, still, it's difficult to imagine.

 

I have to agree with Bruce. I have seen some pretty nasty 5 year olds. While it is true that the average man can easily subdue even the most violent offender - most decent men purposesly restrain themselves as not the hurt the "youthful" offender.

Is there a link to this video? I guess I missed it!

 

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There is a very good reason why people not only do, but have every right to, tell cops how to do their jobs: anybody who sucks off the public trough for a living is a very arrogant individual indeed if he/she thinks that he/she has the right to tell the boss (in this case, the general public) to go jump in the lake. And I'm not so sure that road construction crews and firemen are immune from being told how to do their jobs. My cousin works road construction and he assures me that they get told lots of things, if you know what I mean. I'm sure that if my house was on fire, I'd duly make note of the situation if there were any other people unaccounted for who may still be in the house. But, oh, by the way, when was the last time you saw on the TV news a group of five or ten firefighters or street pavers standing around in a circle yee-hahing around as they beat the doo-doo out of someone just for kicks?

 

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Flex-cuffs. The Monday morning quarterbacks can keep believing what should be, is. Leave the dirty work to the professionals, you wouldn't last a day in the bush or three on the street. Those rose colored glasses are blinding reality. Let's hear how some wannabe cops/soldiers can stop a fight without getting hurt. Answer: As fast as possible.
I've had 7-8 yr. olds shooting at me. I didn't talk. Honesty hurts, but make believe is for dreamers. The kid, whether mentally unbalanced or spoiled, needed to be restrained immediately.
It takes seconds to kill someone, Bruce can attest to our old choke-hold technique, I used it for years and taught it. The kid wasn't knocked-out, so what's the problem? Mr. Engineer, how many violent offenders have you subdued? Little fauss is absolutely correct. And Gregg let Ted play. He is irksome, but so are my ex's, as am I.
He isn't hurting anyone. Sometimes seriousness is seriously fatuous. Some folks just like to spout and see what pushes buttons. Ignore. This whole section of the forum generates trolls.
Are you still catching up on taxes? Now there is something to argue about. Not this trash.

 

Cuffed

Gregg,
If you read the Theo bio. you'll see he is an accomplished individual. Nuff said. And thanks again for the expert explanation.
Wish some people would listen. Next time I need a souffle, I'll ask Ted's opinion.

 

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Let me assure you, the cop who beats someone just because they are a Yahoo is in the definite minority. Cops are the most watched group in the United States. With video cameras on 24/7, not much gets by. With the exception of some counties in the deep south where the Sheriff can appoint any Yahoo and give them a badge and gun, the road to the job requires a lot of fortitude (how many of you want your JHS records open, or want to be questioned about what you may or may not have done 30 years ago - in a police background, they look at these things).

The natural tendancy of any decent male is not to strike children or women. (at least in my culture). When apprehending these types of people, you naturally restrain yourself so that you do not hurt the person. (I am speaking in general terms).

Why not support your local beat cop instead of questioning their motives? Beleive me, the bad cops usually self-destruct or are found in anyway.

Is there a link to this event? I am wondering what really happened.

I have to say one more thing: I find it pretty offensive hearing you say that "anyone who feeds off the public trough". Although I beleive the public has a say in what civil employees do, these employees work just like the rest of us - providing a valuable service-- they are not on welfare

 

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Mr. Engineer,
I hope my reference to your experience wasn't offensive. I have subdued probably over a hundred violent offenders. None were easy. And attempting to not injure the offender is usually the cause of injury to the officer. Forget Ted, he'll smoke himself to death.

 

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The only bosses that I have wear the same uniform as I do, they just have gold badges. There is a very good reason for that. In spite of what the general public wants to believe, watching "CSI", "Third Watch", and "The Shield" does not make someone an expert on policing. In fact, quite the opposite. I'm under no obligation to follow orders from the public, which is the correct thing, because they're wrong about 99.999999999999% of the time.

Ted, perhaps you can share with us the details of the last time that you had to subdue someone on PCP? (insert crickets chirping here)

I can assure you that we don't use physical force "just for kicks". Just once, when some big mouth is yelling "police brutality" when I'm fighting with a violent suspect, I want to jump up, give them my handcuffs, and say "Have at it, tough guy". Let's see how long they last.

Here's an experiment for you.....go to a joke shop or a toy store, and buy a pair of fake handcuffs, they can even be plastic. Then, get one of your friends of average size, and tell him to resist while you try to put the cuffs on. I guarantee you that you won't be able to do it by yourself, unless you hurt him. Every citizen that thinks we beat people "just for kicks" should try this.

 

Well, let's see here. As you may remember, the possibility of "sewage emanating from Ted Heiks' computer" was merely one of two hypothetical possibilities posited, and it is not necessarily the case that even one of those has to be the correct answer. i.e., I could have, and should have, added "neither of the above" as another possibility.

So, which definition do we go with?

If (A), do you know for sure what exactly my intent is here? How can you possibly presume to know my mind?

If (B), an opinion is not necessarily true or false. It is merely something that can be thrown out into the free marketplace of ideas where it might get acceptance by the majority (which doesn't necessarily make it true) or it can get rejection by the majority (which doesn't necessarily make it false). Not guilty if we use that definition.

 

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Never meant to imply that cops (or any other govt. workers) are on welfare. Simply meant to point out that had I told R. L. Heiks of Fallen Rock Arabians or S. B. Bliden of Ahead of the Class Tutoring or D. W. Bergeson of B & B Welding or T. D. Jonez of Business Computer Training Institute that they have no business telling me how to do my job, I would not have lasted even the 5 yrs., 4 yrs., 3 yrs., or 2 yrs., respectively, that I actually lasted.

 

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Your highest-ranking boss who wears a uniform and a badge himself has a boss, the general public. And there is a very good reason for that. So that, once individuals who think that just because they wear a uniform and badge they are somehow naturally superior to everyone else start screwing up badly enouigh (and they will), they can eventually get voted free room and board for life in a very nice place with some of the very people that said cop helped arrange free room and board for.

 

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Bruce's boss must have had one heck of a job interview!