“Contracting Out” Statistical Analysis of Dissertation

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  1. Dr. Edwards

    Dr. Edwards member

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    Dr. Knight,

    You don't seem to get it do you? You have posted only 4 times, and you don't fit in because your D.Phil is from Oxford and not Union.

    You may want to consider dumbing-down for a bit before you become a senior member. Learn from Mr. Morris; lapdog comments won't get you flamed. :D
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Dr. Edwards. It would appear that you attempt to use yourself as a credible source, but will not qualify that source. So we're reduced to your statements, which speak volumes.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

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  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

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    So, you won't tell us where you received your doctorate, nor where you are licensed, nor even your real name. And you won't offer an opinion on Berne University, asked for a very specific reason. I guess you've answered them all after all.
     
  5. roysavia

    roysavia New Member

    I just ordered a doctorate in metaphysics from ULC. Can I now be called "doctor" too???:D :D :D
     
  6. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    Learn from Mr. Morris; lapdog comments won't get you flamed. :D [/B][/QUOTE]

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    Respectfully,

    I suppose this refers to my pal Russell.

    First, Russell has an RA doc. So, in this thread ,where we all are saluting each others titles, perhaps " Dr Morris" is appropriate. Second, I think Russell frequently disagrees with other regulars here, and so it is unfitting to call him "lapdog."

    I know less about Rich , but he seems to look for evidence behind expressed opinions. This seems an OK expectation to me.

    I don't know why any would be shy about naming alma maters or suggesting others do reasearch to discover them, but if there is reason to worry about making such known, then perhaps I should discontinue listing mine?

    This observation is not intended to embroil myself in any argument....especially about statistics.:rolleyes:
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

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  8. jon porter

    jon porter New Member

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    I know many who went to what we started calling the "O-place", none of whom would ever call a DPhil (Oxon) anything other than a DPhil (Oxon). Your explanation doesn't wash. Sorry.
    I have read this somewhere before.
     
  9. Dr. Edwards

    Dr. Edwards member

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    Don't be sorry, as I'm sure you didn't talk to every Oxford DPhil in this world.
     
  10. Dr. Edwards

    Dr. Edwards member

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    I do not (currently) teach at an accredited university. And because I am not an academic, I do not publish in the academic sense.

    So you claim to be a researcher, yet you publish nothing. Do you keep all your findings in your long-term store?

    There, I've answered your question. Will you answer mine? Where did you earn your doctorate, and where are you licensed? Also, where might one go to read what you have published?

    See below:

    You used yourself as a credible source of information by stating you are a licensed psychologist and, therefore, understood inferential statistics.

    You've started wrong and you're still wrong. I didn't list my qualifications to be "a credible source of information," or to have "an edge" over anything I say. I earned my degrees so I have every right to list them. I didn't expect to have "degree guards" who would be so interested in where I earned my degree and where I practice therapy. This oddity already made me think twice before giving out any information.

    It is fair, then, to ask these questions. To deny them is to acknowledge that you are not telling the truth. Anyone can log in here and pretend to be somebody or something. But that doesn't make it so.

    I'm not sure where your logic comes from. So you've mentioned that you've been a corporate trainer. Does that legitimize my right to ask how much you were making? Would you give someone your then-superior's contact so that one can verify? Where do you live in the states? If you don't, is it fair to suggest that you are just pretending to be somebody or something? What say you?

    If you can convince me why it'll be in my best interest to disclose the needed information to a stranger over the internet, I'll be more than happy to do so.

    By the way, I'm still not sure what's your beef with "berne," and so I did a search on "berne" using the search function. Now, do you actually think that someone with a Berne degree can practice psychology? Tell me why I would go to some 3rd-world nation to study for an unrecognized doctorate, or are you just primed to talking to shills from Berne?

    Dr. PK is not my friend either. Since you've hinted that you know who Dr. PK is, maybe you should just go ahead and say it so that I know what the hell is going on?
     
  11. Dr. Edwards

    Dr. Edwards member

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    I suppose this refers to my pal Russell.

    Redundantly, yes.

    First, Russell has an RA doc. So, in this thread ,where we all are saluting each others titles, perhaps " Dr Morris" is appropriate. Second, I think Russell frequently disagrees with other regulars here, and so it is unfitting to call him "lapdog."

    So, if I do a search on the last 20 posts by Russell....oops..I meant Dr. Morris, I will not find 20 one-line lapdog comments or fresh discussion topics such as "what is the utility of a Calcoast doctorate?" :D

    I know less about Rich , but he seems to look for evidence behind expressed opinions. This seems an OK expectation to me.

    Expressed opinions? My degrees, or my opinion against plagirism?

    I don't know why any would be shy about naming alma maters or suggesting others do reasearch to discover them, but if there is reason to worry about making such known, then perhaps I should discontinue listing mine?

    You have to know, some do not prefer to list a paragraph of degrees, school names, and status, after their names.

    This observation is not intended to embroil myself in any argument....especially about statistics.:rolleyes: [/QUOTE]:D
     
  12. Dr. Edwards

    Dr. Edwards member

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    My real name??? Don't cross the line, mister.

    And you won't tell us that you taught at an unaccredited school, that you have actually published nothing as a "researcher," that you paid somebody for a literature search for part of your research, and that you have in the past misrepresented yourself as a doctoral candidate from a questionable institution (sorry, I just found that out at another newsgroup).

    Pleasssssse...

    You're a funny guy, but I do like you.
    :D
     
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  13. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

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    :D [/QUOTE]

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    Bill replies: This remains true. I like to debate Christian theology by the Christian Scriptures, but I don't know much about anything else except secondary education perhaps. So I do not want to argue with you.

    It is, as you suggest, your right to say or not where your doc is from, Dr John, and where you are licensed as a psyc. and I suppose it is the right of others, then, to wonder. Because here we talk about degrees!
     
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  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    That's a fair question. Aren't you man enough to use your real name?

    :confused:
     
  15. Dr. Edwards

    Dr. Edwards member

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    Mr Douglas' much personally touted thesis begs to be read and analysed in detail ... I just might get some of my freinds together to do that. At least it will get us an idea of what Union accepts, as some of their graduates try for jobs out here at times. The last product I read from there was very 'average', but then it is nowhere near top ranking is it?

    Dr. Knight, can you explain what you meant by "very average?"
    Is it average in the sense of proofing why water is wet (like proofing an unaccredited degree is less useful than an accredited one), or is it average in the sense of the research methodology used and the professionalism of the researcher, such as generalizing from a bunch of mailed out surveys and touting the results as a fact of life?

    What do you have to say about the external validity of Mr. Douglas research? Do you find Mr. Douglas research generalizable to the real world, given that many appear to be, for whatever reasons, successful with their unaccredited degrees? Do you suspect that experimenter bias may be an issue? If I was to lead you into believing that a Wyoming business school licence is crap and NCA accreditation is everything, and you therefore preferred a job candidate with a NCA accredited credential, is this something to be touted about? :D

    I know Mr. Douglas innovative and much deserved research is unavailable at the moment. But Can you offer me your insights acquired from your Oxford education?
     
  16. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

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    You imply that you speak with authority. It's only reasonable to:

    A. Inquire about the source of that authority, or else to

    B. Dismiss your personal authority, treat your posts as deriving from an anonymous source, and simply consider your ideas on their merits.

    Is there anything wrong with teaching at an unaccredited school? And if it's a secret (it's not), then how did you learn about it?

    There you go again. You don't have any publications either, so long as you choose to remain anonymous.

    But even if you have a list of publications as long as your arm, Rich might be still be right. You need to address that possibility, don't you?

    Stop trying to push emotional buttons and try to engage in a slightly higher level of discussion, one that addresses issues rather than insults individuals.
     
  17. Dr. Edwards

    Dr. Edwards member

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    Bill replies: This remains true. I like to debate Christian theology by the Christian Scriptures, but I don't know much about anything else except secondary education perhaps. So I do not want to argue with you.

    It is, as you suggest, your right to say or not where your doc is from, Dr John, and where you are licensed as a psyc. and I suppose it is the right of others, then, to wonder. Because here we talk about degrees! [/B][/QUOTE]

    And to be frank, Bill, up to this moment I've been grilled because somebody has mistaken me for having a fake degree from Berne and because I spoke against somebody who wanted somebody to do his/her dirty work on his/her thesis.

    I didn't start talking about degrees. I was provoked.
     
  18. Dr PK

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    As you would/should be aware, traditionalists prefer the DPhil, but many others simply use 'PhD' - similar to AB or BA, and in some rare cases AM or MA, and those who use the non-US 'MS' as opposed to 'MSc'.

    This truly is an interesting group - and the general 'motivation' is not even veiled.

    Happy?
     
  19. Dr. Edwards

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  20. Dr. Edwards

    Dr. Edwards member

    Now that you've gotten me started. How did you come to the conclusion that I am not using my real name?

    Mr. Again, can I have your real name, so that I can post a registered mail to the University of South Florida and inform them of your apparent problems in stats and your proposed "solution"?
     

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