Harvard Extension School's new graduate program offerings

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  1. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Yes, you do for extra $9.99 plus tax and shipping handling. You can wear it around your neck, and your classmates can plug in it. :D
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  2. mcjon77

    mcjon77 Member

    I've been casually following how HES asks you the list your degree on your resume for over 20 years, since at least before I took my first class there back in 2002. If you use the way back machine, you can see that they've changed the preferred structure repeatedly over the past few decades.

    At one point, various departments within Hess recommended different methods of displaying your degree, with some including the term "extension" and others not. That only lasted for a year or two in the early to mid 2000s though.

    For resumes, I have a specific way that I list my degree. I do it this way because I believe it's the most accurate, as it is closest to what's listed on my diploma and my transcripts. I've never had a problem with this at all.

    Harvard University
    Master of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies, Information Technology
    (Information Management Systems concentration)

    I make sure to put "master of liberal arts in extension studies" on there because that's what it's listed as on my diploma (in Latin) and my transcripts. However I list Harvard University as opposed to Harvard Extension School because Harvard Extension School didn't grant my degree. Harvard University did.

    As long as you're honest about what the degree is you won't have any problems. Where people have problems is when they list the ALM in management as a Harvard MBA (I've seen that).

    The general rule of thumb is to make sure you have the word extension somewhere in the listing, either in the degree name or in the school name.
     
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  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I "liked" your post because it was outstanding. My objection isn't with your comment, but the need for the comment.

    No other school at Harvard is treated that way. Even they know it's squirrely since you can choose to omit "Extension Studies" from the degree title as long as you mention "Harvard Extension School" in the listing. Not only is this ridiculous, it lacks integrity. What they're saying is, "list it how you'd like as long as you get that word in there somewhere."

    Would they be mad that a Harvard Law grad listed the degree as a "J.D., Harvard University"? Of course not. It's like a warning label for "Harvard Lite." If they want to maintain that distinction, then Harvard University should stop awarding the degree.

    It reminds me when Cadillac was selling a Chevy Cavalier dressed up as the Cadillac Cimarron. Except they didn't want people to know it was really "Cadillac Lite."
     
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  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Rich, I see your point and it's 100% valid.

    But as I remember, GM gave themselves away. IIRC, that car was always referred to in ads etc. as "The Cimarron, by Cadillac. Never the "Cadillac Cimarron." Many buyers. however, said (and often believed) their cars were "Cadillac Cimarrons." I'm sure GM got exactly the result they hoped for, without having to lie... at least not exactly.

    Was it a car of difference without distinction, or a car of distinction, without a difference? It wasn't what it wasn't, and was what it was, I guess. i.e it wasn't a Cadillac, but it was over-priced and underwhelming. Like some schools. I point no fingers. :)
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Perhaps "From HES, by Harvard?" --- Nah, that sounds silly...
     
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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And definitely not pointing at Harvard or HES.
     
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  7. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Actually, did they change it to different format recently? This gentleman graduated in 2022, and his diploma mentioned "Studiorum Prolatorum"; at least, it is in Latin without people guessing it is EXTENSION. "Studiorum Prolatorum" means Studies of Prolators or Studies of Extend/Enlarge.
    URL: https://scholar.harvard.edu/brendankelleher/home

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  8. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Not a recent change: HES Bachelor of Liberal Arts diplomas are in English, Master of Liberal Arts diplomas are in Latin. All transcripts are in English.
     
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm thinking this is probably exactly the same wording as mcjon77 referred to, here:
    Extended / Extension studies -- same thing, here. Not a trick to prevent guessing. Good Latin 2,000 years ago. Good today.
     
  10. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Sounds like an overpriced cologne.
     
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Right. Like "from Walmart, by Chanel." :) Or Cimarron, by Cadillac. I forgot to mention that there hasn't been a Cadillac plant for more than 50 years. Cadillac Division designs a car. Once it's approved for manufacture, another Division is authorized to make that model, e.g. the new, "International-size" Cadillac Seville in 1975. Under the hood was a stock Olds-sourced 350 V-8. But "Cadillac" was highly visible on the valve covers. Smoke and mirrors. "Tezcatlipoca" I think, was the Aztecs' term. (One of their gods - his name means "Smoking Mirror,") :)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Seville
     
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And Harvard doesn't resort to any of that, on their diplomas - or anywhere else they use Latin. Good and accurate Latin in everything they do - for nearly 400 years, so far. I appreciate and admire them for that.
     
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  13. Asymptote

    Asymptote Active Member

    That’s electrifying!
     
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  14. Asymptote

    Asymptote Active Member

    What did you expect, pig Latin?
     
  15. Asymptote

    Asymptote Active Member

    Studies by the Proletariat

    What?
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    No. Over 60 years ago, I took several years of Latin in school. It was one of my best-ever formative and educational experiences. I liked it, took it seriously, and it stayed with me, So I am not taking your remark seriously. Here's how it works:

    There's Good Latin and Bad Latin. It infuriates me when I see Bad Latin - and very gratifying when I see Good Latin. That's it. And Harvard -- as good as anyone could possibly expect. Maybe because they've been doing it for so long.

    Aut disce aut discede.
     
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  17. Asymptote

    Asymptote Active Member

    You should not that that particular post of mine seriously. I know you are a fan of language!
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    No - the word was prolator, from prolato, prolatare -- v. to extend (plus other meanings) https://www.wordsense.eu/prolator/

    The proletariat (/ˌproʊlɪˈtɛəriət/; from Latin proletarius 'producing offspring') is the social class of wage-earners, those members of a society whose only possession of significant economic value is their labour power (their capacity to work). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat#:

    End of lesson. Me go nap now.
     
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  19. mcjon77

    mcjon77 Member

    No. That is exactly how my degree looks. "Extension" was translated into Prolatorum for some reason. I don't know why because I don't read Latin.
     

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