Harvard Extension School's new graduate program offerings

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  1. nyvrem

    nyvrem Active Member

    Can check it out here


    New graduate programs I noticed they offer now

    1) Computer Science
    2) Biology
    3) IO Psychology
    4) Systems Engineering

    of course all are still worded as 'ALM in Extension Studies'

    cost also went up to $3,220 per course

    used to be $2800 last year iirc
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Is there a significance to the new figure? Old Blues: "I got a 32.20 - built up on a .45 frame..." :)
  3. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I'm a few months late to the party. Sorry.

    Occasionally, a debate will pop up on these pages regarding how people list their degrees. The general rule-of-thumb is to represent things accurately without confusion, but minor deviations are often not material. For example, when Union was the Union for Experimenting Colleges and Universities, the PhD program was run by the Union Graduate School, while the degrees were awarded by UECU. Still, it was common for people to list their PhD as being from UGS. Not a material difference and certainly less confusing (and fewer syllables).

    Not so with this program.

    Harvard University has 12 degree-issuing colleges, including Harvard Med, Harvard Law, the graduate school, and Harvard College (undergrad). And, relevant here, Harvard Extension Studies. With all the other schools besides HES, it's common to see the degree listed like this: Master of Education, Harvard University. This is also technically true since it is the university actually awarding the degree. But no one insists it be listed as "Master of Education, Harvard Graduate School of Education." Well...

    Not with Harvard Extension. The master's degree awarded by HES is a Master of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies - (Concentration). They expect you to list it that way. And if you don't include the "Extension Studies" part, they want you to list it as being from HES. (Even though Harvard University awards the degree.)

    I speculate that they're trying to protect their "Harvard" brand, but instead they're cheapening the degrees earned at HES. Being admitted to Harvard College, or one of the other constituent schools, is exclusive. But anyone can get into HES because they have an open admissions system where you "earn" your way in by completing three courses (each with a B or better) before being admitted to the program. But the prestige should come from the quality and rigor of the degree, not who they're successful in excluding.

    If they don't want to award Harvard degrees, then they should change the name.
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  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    IMHO, since HES is the only school at Harvard to offer the MLA degree, it's not disingenuous to say "Master of Liberal Arts, concentration in [whatever], Harvard University". And if the other schools don't like it, then they should spin off HES.
  6. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    HES is the only school at Harvard to offer the Master of Liberal Arts. The Harvard Graduate School of Design does offer the Master of Landscape Architecture, abbreviated MLA. Harvard offered the first professional course in landscape architecture in 1893 and the first complete program in 1900 (predating the HES Master of Liberal Arts, which was introduced in 1979).
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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Good point!

    Then pretend I said, "IMHO, since HES is the only school at Harvard to offer that particular MLA degree...." ;)
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  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I agree, but Harvard apparently doesn't. HES is the only Harvard school to do this.

    (BTW it's "ALM" not "MLA.")
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    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Is that Latin stands for Artium Liberalium Magister?
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  10. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I agree, it is weird that the degree is in Extension Studies. George University uses Professional Studies for Masters "Master of Professional Studies" to distinguish it from other schools.
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    100% correct. Harvard U - or HES - please award this scholarly gentleman 3 large credits in Latin. Way to go, TEKMAN! :)
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  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The issue has been debated at Harvard, with people saying how dumb the "in Extension Studies" part of the degree title is. The logic: you don't study "extension studies." It would be like saying I have an MBA in Night School from National University.


    Others elsewhere make the point that it is Harvard who is making this distinction to protect their traditional school's "brand." I have to believe that's the case.

    The degree is awarded by Harvard University, btw. And Harvard Extension is the only Harvard school that awards a Master of Liberal Arts.

    If I earned one of these degrees, I would list it as: Master of Liberal Arts (History), Harvard University. Maybe that would draw a letter from someone with a JD from Harvard Law?
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  13. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Or we can simply think of "in extension studies" as an affected way of saying "by means of extension studies."
  14. Asymptote

    Asymptote Active Member

    At graduation, do they get to wear . . .

    (Wait for it)

    . . . extension cords?
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  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Which no one else does. Anywhere.
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Pretty much. That's what I like about it - original thinking. :) @Jonathan Whatley Good work!
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  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's true. But that begets the question whether one might reasonably consider use of the English language initialism instead to be a distinction without a difference.
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Definitely. Steve and Jonathan - good thinking, both. Whatever works ...
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  19. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    We are talking about Harvard University. It wouldn't be their first or most distinctive affectation.
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  20. Suss

    Suss Active Member


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