Mexican Office Doctorates for less than 8K

"No longer a need to consider..." sounds to me like nobody has to consider it -- which I don't believe. I'm not contradicting you, Rich. I'll go away and look at some stats, see if I can make any sense of it. But I don't think it's going to come out anywhere near "nobody" who doesn't have to consider this.

I'm betting there are many people out there who have put doctoral plans on the shelf for this reason: they can't do their desired program - because they'd have to quit work (for one of the reasons I outlined earlier) and then they'd be insecure financially.

And non-doctors, too. Back in 1989 I had it happen to me. Two really good schools within commuting distance in New York State offered 50% scholarships for Canadian CoCo grads with really good marks - and I had just graduated (night school) with the required marks. I'd start in year 3 of a Bachelor program. Day school - I'd have to quit my job and still pay the Uni $7,500 a year for 2 years. I was 46 and retirement was 4 years away. And I was still supporting a family by remote control, if you know

No, I couldn't quit my job, pay the mortgage and bills, pay $7500 a year and support a family. I buried the idea for 3 years and waited till I retired, got my retirement money and had paid all family obligations. I also sold my house. Then I went to my local uni at night - for years...I paid full whack from my own money. We all do what we have to -- and all of us can't make the same choice. Just sayin'.

It might be a while before I get back with some numbers.

 

I tested the water and applied for some "Masters" of ENEB, ESHE, TECH, and Masstercursos (credits to Mac Juli's pevious posts )since I learned the term "Titulo Propio" from this forum.

Ladies and gentlemen, for my "confession", I have to say TECH's course materials gave me the most pleasant feelings without presenting me with a weird translation or a PDF-only document. To my surprise, TECH has additional well-organized slides and an interactive case study for each unit I've taken. However, I am not speaking for TECH and, to tell the truth, I was pissed off at the beginning due to several glitches and I had to throw tons of emails to their service team complaining. I also encountered quite a lot of translation errors or accidentally some materials are not translated at all. Considering TECH has the most expensive price among the four, I would expect their learning materials to be improved in the future.

Those are just personal experiences in propio masters programs I so far ever tested. Absolutely my shabby level of Espanio does not support me in testing any Mexican ROVE doctorates in the scope of this thread.

 

But the passage you cited from me doesn't say, or even imply, that.

That said, this is a discussion board. While we definitely need to get our facts right, rhetoric is another matter. So, I'll stand by my last statement.

 

It certainly does, to me Rich. You say: "There is no longer a need to consider the tradeoff...one can do both." No longer a need. Blanket statement. No exceptions noted. So, nobody need consider it. If somebody does, you forgot to mention them. "One can do both." No mention of any who can't. In the world of Dr. Rich Douglas, there's only one way. His. "And you can, too."

Yeah, right, Coach. Go ahead. Stand by your statement. I won't trouble you further. Scratch me off the roster. G'night.

 

"No más." (Roberto Durán)

 

The original disagreement was the opportunity cost associated with not being able to work because of academics. I made what someone else called a "blanket statement." I agree with that characterization, but not with the idea that it excludes exceptions.

The argument was taken to a silly extreme. So, here's an even sillier one: if I choose to travel to the International Space Station, I'll have to quit my job at Starbucks. But how many people are faced with that?

Yes, a sales manager wanting to become a physician would have to stop selling things while going to medical school. But that is a silly example. A more-apt question is would that person have to quit their job to get an MBA? Of course not. But even then, you could find exceptions--like choosing to pursue a full-time degree.

If every generalization can be brought down by an exception here and there--and that's typically true--then we really can't make any assertions at all beyond the most narrow and singular. It's stupid.

 

For further discussion:

New Regulations Will Impact Graduate Enrollment (Inside Higher Ed - Opinion)

"Career outcomes will increasingly matter, and that will negatively affect doctoral programs"
"...master’s degree programs will be less appealing to working professionals. "
"A bachelor’s degree is still viewed favorably, as it demonstrates an ability to learn, but beyond that, it is unclear how much employers will value graduate degrees in this new hypercompetitive hiring environment."
"Outside of a handful of STEM programs, the vast majority of Ph.D.s who leave academia typically land jobs they could have obtained with a bachelor’s or master’s degree and several years of relevant experience. Very few jobs actually require a Ph.D."

Link: https://archive.ph/LTpOY

 

At my community college that I work at and have also been a student at, hiring managers have decreased academic requirements for jobs where positions that required a Masters now only require a Bachelors and those that required a Bachelors now only require an Associates. The only jobs that stayed the same for academic requirements are the faculty positions.

 

That's surprising and uncommon. My first job in the US was at a call center for a. They'd recently reduced the requirement from an LCSW/LMHC down to a Bachelor's degree with no licensing required.

In that case they also slashed the pay in half so it worked out. I thought I was paid fine, but the clinicians were seriously underpaid when you consider yheir qualifications and what they put up with.

 

Social Workers have always been shockingly underpaid.

 

Yet nearly the best-paid human service profession!

 

May be. I don't know. I've worked with state social workers for decades and frankly, I'm impressed as I can be yet they are often not treated as the professionals they are. I couldn’t do that job.

 

Faculty still requires a Masters or PhD?

 

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