California Coast University or Pacific Western University(California)

I don't remember patricia hill williams or perry atkinson being discussed in any other threads and i have searched this board. Anyway, like i said, the only place people will have a problem with it is on this board and with the crazies on usenet. I did not start this thread for the purpose of debating the validaity of NA schools. I only wanted to know which was considered the "best" of the three. These degrees are widely accepted in society whether you like it or not, and these schools provide a cost effective alternative to those of us who wish to study at our own pace for self fulfillment.

-brandon briand

 

Brandon you seem "hell-bent" on believing this despite the truth. Exactly where else have you seen these three obscure "non-colleges" discussed? As has been pointed out we have yet to see one advantage for any of them. If you believe these poor choices are best for you go for it and good luck. I believe you will need it.

 

Since when did i proclaim that these people got their job as a result of their degree? I doubt anyone has to "defend" a degree from ccu unless they are a "doctor" or have visited this board. It seems just as likely to me that a person would have to defend an education he received at "charter oak state college" or "capella university". Sure, further studies down the line are fine. I'm not suggesting a CCU degree should be left to stand on its own when seeking a higher office, at the same time it doesn't really make much difference. President Bush got his MBA from Harvard, yet he is portrayed as an idiot throughout the world.

-brandon briand

 

This is sooo wrong. I did a survey of graduates of six nontraditional schools, four of which were not accredited. The respondents from the unaccredited schools were very clear that when they needed their degrees to function in the workplace, a lack of accreditation really hurt.

My experience (24 years) has been that the most frequently asked question regarding distance degrees is, "Is it accredited?" Even if the inquirer doesn't understand the ramifications of the question, it is still asked. On the other hand, I've never, ever had to explain how I got my USNY Regents degrees. How I earned two bachelor's degrees in less than two years, before I turned 21, while working full time in the Air Force. Or how I earned degrees from a university in New York while living outside of Boston. Nope. Not once. But the "accredited?" question has been asked all the time.

If GW Bush is portrayed as an idiot, it is despite his Harvard MBA, not because of it. And can you imagine the hubub that would have surrounded him if his MBA was from CCU? Oh, my!

 

I have my BS in Business from CCU and I am working on my MBA from CCU. The school and staff are great in my opinion. I spent alot of time convincing myself that it was the best choice. When I complete my degrees I will proudly list them on my resume.

BUT, while I am completing my MBA, I am having a credit evaluation done at Charter Oak. I hope to have only about 24 credits to complete my BS from COSC (I was closer then I thought).

While I thought the CCU degree would satisfy me, I don't want to ever have defend my education.

I plan to post a side-by-side comparision of BS degrees when I complete COSC.

 

To function in the workplace yes if your one of those people who has to send resumes etc., but not for someone who is a writer or involved in elected politics unless you're talking about a diploma mill. I don't see how spending $16,000 to have "Athabasca U." next to my name benefits me to the point where i would not be just as well off with $3500-4500 from cal pacific. Cal Coast and Cal Pacific have that nostalgic 70's quality I'm looking for.

 

randell that would be very interesting. It would be interesting to know how difficult the work is at some of the lesser RA DL schools compared to cal coast.

 

Is Brandon Legit???

The ardor with which Brandon is pressing the issue of CCU is almost analogous to shilling. Certainly, many people have benefited from a CCU (and similar schools) degree, however, Brandon seems intent on ignoring the fact that the degree will have very limited utility.

As has been stated, if the CCU degree will meet one's present and future needs, then by all means GO FOR IT ! But it is important to understand that the degree will never enjoy the same utility as the RA, DETC or even TRACS degree.

Study Hard!

 

You are joking. Excelsior & TESC are affordable and for goodness sake far more useable. The organization I work for which is large would not even consider you for any employment requiring any amount of college credit if you had an unaccredited degree.

No military officer that I know of has an undergraduate degree for CCU. You may find someone with a higher degree from CCU. Personally, I find that highly distasteful and a potential *time bomb* waiting to blow up ones career in public service.

At any rate good luck to you Brandon. Enjoy the program.

North

 

Wouldn't someone in elected politics be under more scruitiny not less? The common covention is that if it is unaccredited it IS a degree mill. It may not be 100% true but it is what people will think.

An RA degree is available as low as $2100 and that includes A-C-C-R-E-D-I-T-A-T-I-O-N. Kind of makes those unaccredited, illegal in some states, degrees look WAY over priced.

I have no idea what you are trying to say there. If you're alluding way back 30 years ago when CCU and CPU were an almost reasonable choices because few other schools were offering distance learning, I believe you are truely missing the bigger picture. Again I ask where do you find CCU and CPU talked about with high regard? I have NEVER seen that. Again good luck. I hope you find what you are looking for.

 

I'm "legit" Russell, and I understand degrees from calcoast of cal pacific would be of limited use. However, I think they represent a decent "middle ground" in between diploma mills and RA institutions. I like that the total cost of the program is given up front as opposed to having to pay credit by credit, semester by semester. I also like the freedom to study at my own leisure and would prefer to avoid dealin with actual humans as much as humanly possible . I also don't want to play around with trying to get accepted at various universities with application fees etc. I just want to pay my money and do it.

 

Yes, but a political attack of that nature would be easy enough to counter, and i see being on the receiving end of such an attack as an oppurtunity to make use of my wits.

I am unaware of such a program, but it likely does not have the same personal appeal as that of Cal Pacific or Cal Coast. They have that nostalgic 70's quality.

 

Although I am not in disagreement with your assertion that degrees from entities such as CCU represent some sort of “middle ground,” your rationale places them much closer to degree mills than RA institutions.

Just like a degree mill.

Just like a degree mill.

Just like a degree mill.

Just like a degree mill.

 

Well no, not like a degree mill, because that would involve no work (no "doing" except sending the money ) whereas calcoast and cal pacific offer real live courses one must complete.

 

Boy, all this drama over a degree, what a waste....., you can just buy one for $29 on the internet. This way you can pick from the three below:

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We can replicate diplomas from nearly every high school in the U.S. and any college or university. We do not print diplomas from any high school, college or university outside the U.S.


What a deal

 

If you don't want to deal with people for your classes why don't you take the Credit by Examination route from Ohio State?

http://www.ohiou.edu/independent/ccewords.htm

I took one and all you do is order the syllabus, study with the book they recommend and order the exam. You can take the exam at any time. You pass and you get 4 quarter credits, you fail and you get none.

 

Well, buying a degree from one of those kinds of places has to be about the most absurd choice one could make. I mean what do those people tell their wife and family members? How could they even live with it?

 

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That sort of thing interests me, but i'd rather look into it down the road when i can afford more options. For now, CCU adequately addresses my needs and i'm comfortable with it as a "middle ground" education.

 

FYI

"Well no, not like a degree mill, because that would involve no work (no "doing" except sending the money ) whereas calcoast and cal pacific offer real live courses one must complete"

At California Coast University, they use the four test system via mail, it goes like this;

1. Test 20 Questions you pick A, B, C or D

2. Mid-term 20 Questions you pick A,B,C or D

3. Test 20 Questions you pick A,B,C, or D

3. The Final Exam - 20 Questions you pick A,B,C or D


It's real hard work, so CCU gives you the Ch. & Page # for each question.



Sure it work and even requires some U.S. postage

 

Brandon,

In today's job market it doesn't make sense to get a bachelor degree that is unaccredited. If you are looking for a position in government where it is not an appointed position you may have some problem. You are also limiting yourself -- when I have hired folks for contract government positions their background is checked out and only RA degrees are allowed. I cannot even consider a CCU graduate and I have had a few resumes with CCU degrees on them. I am much better off hiring a non-degreed individual with good experience because they can at least get hired.

If you found that a CCU degree is serving you well then enjoy it but do not justify the degree beyond its personal applicability to you. You may be better off choosing one of the DETC schools for a degree as it would suit your penchant for the old fashioned correspondence approach. The utility of a DETC degree would serve you better than an unaccredited one.

The most cost effective and fastest route to an RA degree today is to go with one of the assessment institutions and put together a degree based on exams and portfolio credit.

John