I have Resigned from NCU

Can't the same be said for Capella and Touro/TUI/Trident?

 

Sorry, but NCU is not guilty of fraud. No matter how you argue, they are not. I have been through the process, taken a few classes, and found it was exactly as they warned me. Randell is proof that they will graduate you if you are up to the task, and I'll bet it is not harder to get through NCU than it is at any good B&M.

The academics at NCU are not lame. They are very rigorous. I have been in a number of programs, both online and B&M, and the curriculum and requirements at NCU are just as good as any out there. It's their support and service that totally sucks wind.

University of Phoenix might be guilty of fraudulent practices. When I applied at UoP, they applied high-pressure sales to get me into the program and never spoke of the difficulty in getting through. It was all butterflies and rainbows, and the rep immediately started calling me doctor, which was a sales tactic, as well. The admissions rep hounded me over and over when I became reluctant, which was due in part to what was being said here.

 

NSU - An exception to the rule?

Randell - Notably, Nova Southeastern is tightening up their admission standards for the DBA program. As they move to AACSB, they've decided to reduce the size of their doctoral program to 100 students.

NSU has required a GMAT for their DBA for most of the past 20 years or so. They learned that students with low GMAT scores had a lower success rate.

Regards - Andy

 

I have always been impressed with NSU. I doubt that many here would have questioned their practices, this will be especially true once they are AACSB, and I have no doubt that they will make it.

 

Well, if I would have known then what I know now regarding my personal situation, I would have gone with Nova and paid out of pocket expenses. A big point for me was to limit the out of pocket expenses. Since my salary has changed a bit over the past 6 years, I would not have had a problem taking on some of the expense and paying $20-25K cash.

 

Maybe it's just me, but still sounds like a heck of a lot of doctoral students! In my department, I think we had 20. In my specific program, 5.

 

100 is a lot for most business schools. Schools like Georgia State, however, do have numbers in this range. NSU at one time had 500 students in their program. They have scaled back by raising entrance requirements.

Nova's 100 will be in several areas - finance, marketing, accounting, management and others. As i see it NSU is shifting from their roots to a more traditional offering.

Regards - Andy

 

Speaking generally, with no particular school in mind, it may take years to unravel the "doctoral program" fraud...

It took several years to finally catch Madoff. It took years to finally lock up some of the more flagrant violators of the stock option back-dating schemes.

As to whether there was fraud in these "doctoral programs", consider that students were and are asked to continue paying tuition dollars to continue in the "program," when they have plethoric documentation of purposeful delays in graduating them; that could easily be characterized as fraudulent activity. Moreover, students could have enrolled in other real doctoral programs (leaving the fake doctoral programs), if they had known that everything told them about the process was a lie.

What I find truly frightening about discussing this subject, is that so few contributors to this discussion seem to know right from wrong, or even the Uniform Commercial Code...

 

Yes, you should make those that don't agree look like they are so ignorant they don't even know right from wrong..... Good tactic. Maybe they will feel unworthy to continue the discussion and you will be right by default.

 

By then the school already would have closed and the owners would be spending the tuition fees in a caribbean island.

I dont see these schools in the long run anyways, as more doctoral programs become available, the online for profits would be getting less customers. There are some established places like UoP that will stay in business but the small ones like NCU might not be there for long or might just merge with bigger ones to stay in business.

The fact that the school is raising their fees is a clear indictation of a "milking the cow while you can" strategy. The owners are trying to cash as much as they can before more traditional schools start offering online doctorates.

As student the value of the doctorate is also related to timing, the PhD from NCU is worth something because we still don't have too many of them now. The few that get tenure track positions with these degrees serve as carrots for the new students to keep dishing the money but eventually will be just too many in the market and the price will crash just like an overvaluated stock.

I think that students that were able to profit from low tuition fees and are using the degree for adjunct or full time teaching positions are the winners. The new students should be careful as they might never see a return of investment there.

 

I agree. I wrote here a couple of years ago I would not pursue a doctorare at a for-profit. NSU is a fine school and I would be proud to hold a DBA from there.

 

I think we need to separate the degree holders from the degree granters. All degree holders should be very proud of their earned degrees. The problem is that the degree granters have became the biggest hindrance to graduates with their unscrupulous business practices. As one Degreeinfoer lamented, these schools are anti-students but pro enrollment.

 

I agree. Randall, DLady and meagain are NCU doctoral grads. They should be proud of what they accomplished. It is the perception of the for-profit schools that concerned me.

 

Put it this way, NCU was about the only affordable 100% online option 10 years ago. I know few people with NCUs degrees and are doing just fine. One works as full time for Devry and the other one as an academic administrator for a large University.

A PhD is better than no PhD so NCU is better than nothing. However, as more options become available, one should look at other options that might give more bang for your buck.

 

90% of the "doctoral" students fail in the "fake doctoral programs" because they are designed to fail students... It is quite the clever business model, but it also illegal and unethical to operate. Perhaps a legislative intervention will be only way to get the accrediting entities to stop the fraud.

 

Well done Sir. Your "only 10% pass" argument was getting old, so you switched to the "90% fail". Good show.

 

I called Capella today. I asked what the graduation rate was for the doctoral program and they told me that they do not disclose that information. They said, “As a publicly traded company we do not have to disclose that. We can tell you what the overall graduation rate is for all programs but we will not break it down by degree or program”. Perhaps we should set Dave Wagner lose on them!

 

That is true, when I enrolled just over 6 years ago options were limited and those are encouraging words regarding successes.

I just got diploma in the mail yesterday. Maybe I will hang it with a note next to it that reads "BETTER THEN NOTHING" :blackeye:

 

I'd be honored to have your diploma.

 

My self esteem is correlated with the degrees that I hold. :disappointed:

I can rise no higher than my degrees. :disappointed:

Hey, if I had an online doctorate from Capella, then I wonder how high my self-esteem would be? :moon: