What's the deal? DETC

Discussion in 'IT and Computer-Related Degrees' started by perplexed, Feb 16, 2003.

  1. vnazaire

    vnazaire Member

    Life is Change !

    LIFE IS CHANGE ! Universities and Colleges now share power with Computer Certifications ( Microsoft, Cisco, Novell, et.).
    Adaptation IS necessary ! It is a new world.
    The only thing that does not change is change itself !

  2. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

  3. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    LOL Bill! Thanks for the first laugh of the morning!

    P.S. A small bookcase would be convient, no?
  4. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Re: Life is Change !

    I work in the IT industry and certifications are very much in retreat. The FIRST question is do you have the DEGREE? The next question is do you have the EXPERIENCE? The certs look nice on top of that but are mostly for show.

    You are right to point out constant change. The new big winners will be schools that are both RA and flexible. TUI has come out of no where to become a big player in DL. Many smaller RA schools have moved up by focusing on DL.

    WGU definately interest me. I believe they have had less than 5 Bachelors level graduates after 5 years and millions of dollars! That is certainly discouraging. It will be interesting to see if they can leverage their RA status into becoming a more serious player. While their competency based model is exciting, I believe what has held them back is not being able to organize and communicate their degree requirements and exactly how to meet them.
  5. perplexed

    perplexed New Member

    I could have sworn that I've read here numerous times that most schools don't accept DETC credits. Did I read all of those posts wrong? Which RA schools accept DETC credits? I've spoken with quite a few of them and none of the ones that I've spoken to accept them. I agree with what you're saying as far as acceptance in academic circles but what excites me is the prospect of WGU shifting away from the paradigm. Trailblazing is what I'm excited about. I work for a Fortune 500 company and they could care less whether the degree you have is from a school that's RA or NA, just as long as it is credible (and you can function at that level).
  6. ericbowers

    ericbowers New Member

    I think that I read in another thread that about 40% of RA schools will accept credit from a DETC school. (This means that 60% do not.)

    But I have heard that UOP and Bellevue will accept DETC credits. This may be on a case by case basis, I'm not sure.

    So credit from a DETC school isn't useless, it's just less flexible, IMHO.

    Wouldn't stop me if that is the program that I wanted. Go for it.

  7. jmetro

    jmetro New Member

    Yep, Well....

  8. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

    Re: Yep, Well....


    CHGODAVE New Member


    As far as acceptance by employers of DETC credentials, I work for the federal government, and the Office of Personnel Management gives the same weight to a DETC or other nationally accredited college as they do to RA schools. I have an RA bachelors myself so I am not slanted in favor of DETC schools. I think the prejudice against DETC schools if primarily in the academic world. It is probably because a few years ago teachers in public schools were getting advanced degrees from some of the old "legal" state recognized schools from Florida and Louisiana and getting pay raises as a result until the state boards started cracking down on what type of degrees could be used for promotional credit. The federal government however recognizes any degree that has accreditation from a DOE approved agency. I have been thinking about getting an MBA from Andrew Jackson U. because they have the cheapest program of any accredited institution. I have not seen an RA MBA program that is less than double what AJU charges.
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member


    AJU: $475 per course ($158.33 per s.h.)

    CSUDH: $900 per course ($300 per s.h.)
    Amberton: $495 per course ($165 per s.h.)

    The rest you can research for yourself.
  11. vnazaire

    vnazaire Member

    NA graduate works for the U. of California

    BRIAN Sedlacek, Los Alamos, New Mexico a graduate of NA ACCIS (B.S. in Computer Science is currently working for the U. of Calfornia developing utilities for Microsoft Windows operating systems.
    He conducts classes for his co-workers in Visual Basic scripting, based on the programming fundamentals he learned at ACCIS.

    CHGODAVE New Member


    The website you posted previously is not an official government site. It apparently is connected to a private publisher of materials to supposedly help people pass exams for federal jobs. The only official government wide site is the USA JOBS site under the opm.gov site. Some individual agencies have their own job listings also under their respective sites. I still do not think that there is an actual prejudice against DETC schools by private sector (outside education) employers so much as the fact that the DETC schools are not as well known by HR people in companies as the RA schools are. Many employers like to hire people from their own alma mater. That has even been done here in the past by the government agency that I work for which at one time had a preference for graduates of U. of Ill at the Chicago Circle campus.
  13. vnazaire

    vnazaire Member

    Graduate of DETC Andrew Jackson U. starts Public relations position

    Julie Ann Powell, Hillside, New Jersey graduated with a B.A. in Communications in 2002 at AJU.
    She was hired for a coveted public relations position in the competitive New York City job market; she currently aids in the public relations efforts for several major clients in the magazine publishing industry.
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: federaljobs.net

    I indicated in my post that the site I listed was not the government's, and that I didn't find anything about accreditation requirements at the OPM's site.

    I also made it clear that it wasn't unfamiliarity with DETC schools that was the problem in the employment sector: "Not only are there many situations where such a degree would not apply, there is recent evidence to show that employers in general have a dimmer view of DETC accreditation than RA, both before and after they find out the difference between the two. " This is based upon very recent research I've conducted.

    I don't know of any studies linking employer's alma maters with their hiring practices, and I've looked.

    Finally, unfamiliarity with schools is a dual-edged sword. While it is certain that degrees from unfamiliar schools might prevent some from certain employment opportunities, the opposite can also be true. My study showed that HR professionals' unfamiliarity with schools leads to a higher level of acceptance of degrees from unaccredited schools and diploma mills than would be expected.

    The bottom line: Bear's survey showed credits and degrees from nationally accredited schools are less acceptable to admissions officials at RA schools. My research has shown the same is true in employment circles for DETC and ACICS accreditation. These are the facts. You're welcome to refute them.
  15. vnazaire

    vnazaire Member

    Publish your research !

    Publish your research before it can be refuted or complimented.
    When will you publish it ? Refrain from making assertions from your research until you have been published. PUBLISH !
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: Publish your research !

    Thank you for your advice. Please understand when I ignore it. Feel free to do the same with what I say.
  17. great_turtle

    great_turtle New Member

    I'm currently taking the Ashworth to WGU route. I like the Ashworth classes, and at $59 per credit hour, there is very little that can beat them at the price. (Including the local state community college system).

    To me, WGU retaining both NA and RA is a very major change, and will make DETC credits more accepible.

    My employer is fine with it. I work for one of the top three aerospace companies in the United States on a federal contract. I was hired for my experience and certification, not for my degree. However, I can get farther in my career path with a degree. The corporation I work for draws no distinction between DETC and RA (I checked). Eventually I plan to get into IT education, and I might complete my masters at WGU. My employers are more concerned with what exactly I have learned, then whether I went to some unpronounceable college in Africa.

    I keep hearing about all this research that is going to be published which says DETC is only a little more acceptable then degree mill trash. Maybe someone couldn't see the wood for the trees. Or else, the trend has already changed.
  18. vnazaire

    vnazaire Member

    A fact is a fact when it can be verified !

    To keep this forum serious, one should not say I have facts based on my research and at the same time not publishing these facts for all intelligent persons to look at and consider.
    Otherwise one can make any kind of assertions and say it is a fact.
    Back up what you say is a fact with published research.
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Ummm....who has said this? Or even anything remotely close to it? Bear found that degrees and credits from nationally accredited schools are accepted at about 40% of RA schools. I found that degrees from DETC- and ACICS-accredited schools are significantly less acceptable to employers compared to degrees from RA schools.

    Perhaps it was someone else. But I would like to see the quote.
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Re: A fact is a fact when it can be verified !

    Bear's survey results were presented at the AACRAO convention in Seattle in 2001. My study has only recently been completed. It is awaiting approval by my doctoral committee and the dean before it will be published. ("Published" in that it will be submitted to UMI and available from them.) But that shouldn't stop reasonable discussion on this issue.

    I'm not known for lying about these things. But you can certainly choose to ignore my descriptions of my findings.

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