What is the supposed problem with the MSM/L?

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Maxwell_Smart, Oct 13, 2019.

  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    With all due respect, I couldn't care less if it's Sanantone, Sanatone, or anything in between. I don't know why you felt the urge to share with us your employment history when it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. You seem to be a Jack (or maybe Jill) of all trades... and master of none.
  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Hmmm. That doesn't seem particularly respectful. I don't need to speak for Sanantone but I believe it was you that questioned her background . . .

    " I bet she doesn't even have a degree in business or psychology."

    I can see how this might prompt a brief description of her background
  3. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    My mastery is in dealing with and teaching courses about law violators, which I've been doing for over a decade. As Kizmet said, you were the one who made an assumption about my background. Your disrespect is intended, but your grudges and attitude problems are not my problem. Now that you know my background, you don't need to make anymore incorrect assumptions.
  4. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    You're always coming to Sanantone's aid. Please allow her to "fight" her battles. Thank you! Yes, you can take action against me as a moderator if you wish, ICCL.
  5. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    As long as you continue to act like Mrs. Know-it-all, I prob will continue to make assumptions. Besides, I like to poke the bear. If you were mature enough, you'd just ignore me :D
  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    If you were mature at all, you wouldn't be trolling. Providing factual information in the face of misinformation is not being a know-it-all. That's a common term used among people who are either jealous or upset about being corrected.
  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    She's doing her job. Personal attacks are against TOS.
  8. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I'm a millennial (90s baby), I'm okay with being immature :) Anway, I'm above age 25 so the frontal lobes of my brain, which are responsibility for high-level reasoning, are fully developed.
  9. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Who would have thought that was the case? I've sure seen some personal attacks from you against Dr. Levicoff!

    Anyway, I'll behave myself and find something else to do while I'm on this week's break from Liberty!
  10. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I'm also a Millennial, and I have little interest in primitive forms of entertainment.
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  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Yes, after he has attacked me.
  12. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Two wrongs don't make a right. The notion that he supposedly attacked first does not take away from the fact that you've equally violated the TOS.
  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    If you paid attention to her verbal warnings instead of repeatedly getting an attitude with her for no reason, you would know that she tells everyone to stop.
  14. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Verbal warnings? I guess you meant written warnings. Anyway, I'll let you have the last say as usual. Let's do this again sometime haha :D :) gonna get some "shut eyes."
  15. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    You can't talk on this forum, and since the warnings are undocumented (I believe there's a tracker of official warnings here), I referred to them as verbal. Whether verbal is synonymous with oral or spoken depends on the context. For example, being able to read well is a form of verbal intelligence. The grammar and reading portion of the GRE is referred to as verbal reasoning because the basic definition of verbal is "in the form of words."
  16. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    You're speaking in absolutes when these things can vary. For instance, they were required at the school I was enrolled with, in fact Intro to Business was required and it wasn't an elective, neither were a number of the other business courses I listed. I also forgot some:

    Organizational Behavior
    Project Management
    Human resource management
    Human relations (under the human resources designation)
    Business Ethics

    So with the others, that's almost 3 semesters of business courses.
  17. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    You're incorrect. Very few of the courses I listed were electives. To reiterate, there are thousands of psychology programs and thousands of schools. They don't all operate the exact same way. Out of 40 courses, there is going to be more than psychology courses on your list. That's not even debatable, it's just the way it works.
  18. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    So then it doesn't appear you're sure what we're talking about then, because the topic is clearly written about MSMs/MSMLs, not degrees that are entirely in leadership. Degrees that are entirely in leadership is a totally different discussion...

    Which is what I already said before you explained it, lol.

    That's not the point at all. The point is that an MBA is more finance focused even without a specialization, an MSM/MSML is not.
  19. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, you misspelled "doing exactly what moderators are supposed to do when one poster routinely launches into personal attacks against another poster."

    You may have been confused as the spelling is more common in the UK, Canada and commonwealth nations.
  20. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    As someone who has an MSM and an MBA, I feel qualified to weigh in on this.

    This whole "one is more finance focused" is inaccurate in the current landscape. Let's look at my coursework for my MSM which has a focus in Project Management:

    MGT 500 Business Basics
    MGT 530 Leadership and Organization
    MGT 560 International Relations
    MGT 570 Information Technology
    MGT 611 Decision Making
    MKT 500 Marketing and Sales

    MGT 550 Project Management
    MGT 551 Planning and Control
    MGT 552 Project Finance and Budgeting
    MGT 553 Risk and Quality Management
    MGT 554 Contracts and Procurement
    MGT 565 International Project Management
    MGT 650 Management of Major Programs

    Now, let's look at the curriculum for my MBA with a concentration in Human Resources.

    MGT 501: Responsibility, Sustainability, and Justice

    ACC 502: Accounting for Management
    ECO 507: Managerial Economics
    FIN 508: Financial Management

    Any two of these

    OM 503: Operations Management
    BUAN 571: Introduction to Business Analytics
    MIS 504: Management Information Systems

    One of these

    MGT 505: Organizational Behavior
    MKT 506: Marketing Management
    One of these

    HR 505: Recruitment and Staffing
    HR 506: Workplace Learning and Performance
    HR 511: Total Rewards
    HR 512: Employee and Labor Relations
    All of these for HR

    If you choose the "General" MBA option, you choose six courses from any area as electives. So you could load up on HR and international business and never really dig deeper into accounting or finance, if you wanted. Or you can take "Miscellaneous" courses such as Business Intelligence or Marketing Research.

    Total required finance courses? Two. With the caveat that actually only one required course is a finance course. But I'm assuming we're using the term "finance" loosely enough to include Economics and Accounting

    Total required finance courses in my MSM? One. Though it depends on how you view the finance portions of Planning and Control and Contracts and Procurement.

    Let's not go acting like one is a degree in trust falls and the other is highly quantitative.

    There have been differences, historically, between the two degrees. Those lines are blurring especially when we add degree specializations into the mix. The MBA was, for a long time, a generalist degree. You were mastering business administration as a whole. You needed a holistic view of how businesses operate from a high level. Now you can get an MBA in Sustainability which is light on finance or an MSM in Finance.
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2019

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