what is the cheapest Univercity to take Accreditation from USA or UK

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by ahmedsamir, Apr 28, 2013.

Loading...
  1. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    A fine example of situation ethics. In certain places and under certain circumstances it "might be understandable" that one purchases a degree mill credential. Time bombs explode in the USA as well as other places in the world.
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Nothing to do with ethics, really. When there is poverty and desperation, ethics of both seller and buyer have long flown out the window. And yes, it might be "understandable," as one can clearly understand the motivation.

    Degree seller - never had ethics to begin with. Degree buyer - possibly desperate to do better than his/her hardscrabble life in a poor village or teeming city slum, can't afford ethics. If he/she is presented with what looks like a way up, or out -- such a person will grab it. If the alternative is wretchedness, near-or-actual starvation, who can blame them?

    That goes double if we're talking a very poor family with children. Sad that so often, that worthless degree proves to be - just that, worthless. Another poor person has lost what little he/she could scrape together, chasing a vanished dream.

    Desperation doesn't make buying a fake degree "right" of course. But it does explain the motivation. Maybe that was what Kizmet meant by "understandable." I dunno.

    Johann
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 19, 2013
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member


    Thank you for understanding my meaning. I don't want anyone to think that I approve of degree mills because I do not. I think the world would be a better place if they all were gone. But with my post I'm trying to live in the gray area. It's not always black or white, is it? A person who buys a degree is not automatically a con-man, a thief. Maybe just hungry. This is especially true since degree mill owners, having been driven out of the USA and many other industrialized countries, have turned their attention to the third word.

    This is the evil of degree mills. Not only do they prey upon the narcisist (did I spell that right?) but they prey upon the desperate.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 19, 2013
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It's "narcissist" with two s's, Kizmet, but that's perfectly OK. We're not the speling poleece here, are we? :smile:

    And yes - the degree-sellers certainly prey on the desperate.

    Poverty and desperation - the same forces that drive (mostly) men in the harsh villages of South Asia to resort to paying for forgery/alteration of their ID cards. The only change made (usually) will be to subtract maybe up to ten years from the person's age.

    That way, the impoverished holder is more likely to get some sort of a job in the nearest city, than with his/her actual age. I don't have numbers, but I'm told this is a very common scenario. Same motivation as milled degrees - make a person desperately in need of work more employable.

    Ethical? I suppose not. "Understandable?" I think we can agree it is.

    Johann
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 19, 2013
  5. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    What poor country has more diploma mills than the USA or any wealthy country? A fake diploma from a poor country has no value in a poor country. US or European degrees are almost the only acceptable degrees in poor countries.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    There have been successful mills in all sorts of low income countries. There was a famous one based in Liberia called St. Regis University, for example. They thrive in Pakistan as well. Interestingly, St. Regis attracted a lot of Americans as customers, throwing the typical situation into reverse.

    That's not so. Degrees from universities in high income countries are often preferable in low and middle income countries, but they are nowhere close to being the only acceptable ones. Many people in such countries earn degrees in other such countries and use them just fine in their country of origin or even to emigrate to Western countries. For example, my cousin in Dominica earned his degree in Geology from a university in Cuba, since he got a full ride there, and now he works for the water utility back home. For another, many students from French-speaking countries in Africa will go to Morocco or Senegal for study, and I know this because a good friend of mine from Mali is going to do a Master's in Accounting in Morocco instead of the U.S. because it's a faster track to CPA in his home country.
     
  7. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    You will did not correct kizmet insinuation about poor countries and degree mills. Liberia had a few degree mills but where did substantially all the students came from? Many people from my country of birth have medical degrees from cuba. They are no degree mills in Cuba. Many people from poor countries will earned valid degrees from poor and developing countries. However, if you want a fake degree with cache then you are going to one of those countries that kitmet will have you to believe is now degree mill purified.
    It is like blaming poor countries for global warming.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I don't think I saw an insinuation there. She wasn't criticizing either low income countries or the people who live there. Sort of the opposite, actually.
     
  9. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    I'm afraid that PhDtobe has misunderstood me. My fault, I'm sure. My meaning was this. The degree mills are set up in the USA (and some other places) but they are marketed to poorer countries. The people in these countries are led to believe that because the degree is from the USA it must be valid and good. It is pure victimization, essentially stealing money from those who can least afford to lose it.

    I like to drag this thread off topic a bit to make an editorial point. This process is much like what the tobacco companies did. Once the laws began to tighten in the USA, once the anti-smoking campaigns began in the USA, all the US tobacco companies began marketing heavily outside the USA, primarily to third world nations. Tobacco companies will put any warning label on the pack that you want because the US market is shrinking and the global market is growing. Just like degree mills. They are equal opportunity victimizers.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 22, 2013
  10. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I now got what you were saying. Asbestos is also one of those products which are being marketed to poor countries because they are no market in developed countries. In Canada, well in Quebec, the government even give subsidies to these corporations.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 22, 2013

Share This Page