Warning: Another Mill

Yes, i have transcripts, because i am not jealous others, as on this forum !! i worked with faith in Jesus Christ. “For you are all the children of God BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.” (Gal. 3:26)

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

Is this forum getting punked?

 

Oh, I quite agree. Which is why I said earlier that I'd like to see some litigation--just to see the sparks fly.

In my view these types of regulations are best viewed as one variation or another of a theory of fraud and fraud is rooted in a theory of harm. For example, a law that banned the use of a substandard or fake credential to procure some benefit (e.g, financial compensation) would be perfectly reasonable--no different than using a fake ID to get food stamps. On the other hand, if a person stood up in a meeting and claimed--just like the SVA--that they had a PhD in a discipline when they really did not then a law banning such behavior that would violate the first amendment because there is no material harm in doing so. The use of the credential in such cases is only being used to score "rhetorical points" which shouldn't be a legally cognizable harm.

So my problem with something like the Texas statue above is that it's overbroad. For example, "..or gain a position in government with authority over another person, regardless of whether the actor receives compensation for the position." Read strictly, there is no need for the government to demonstrate any harm or even the potential for harm. The Texas statute is essentially outlawing a "paperwork lie" which is really no different than the spoken lie in the SVA accept it is written down. The same is true for the OR statue. The government has to demonstrate some actual harm, a mere generalized dislike of lying is not enough. This also makes the distinction between a license and a degree easy to see. With a professional license there is a risk of harm because a professional license is exactly what it says--a license to do something--whereas the mere possession of a degree--whether it be real or fake--isn't a license to do anything at all.

That's my view, FWIW.

 

A good Church

Do you understand this : Missionary Chapel and Seminary is'nt a MIIL ? Esoteric Theological Seminary is a MILL, because you pay a diploma for $600 !! You pay Missionary Chapel just to work, and it's very difficult !!

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

The old Stolen Valor Act was struck down but a revised one was voted in after United States v. Alvarez. I think if a fake credential is used for financial gain it should be illegal. If someone says they have a military medal or degree they don't really have just to look awesome to friends or family it doesn't matter to me. One of my fellow vets will call them out sooner or later, and it would make a funny story on the stolen valor vet ran webpage. I would prefer everyone to just be honest so we don't need laws for this sort of stuff. That would make things so much easier.

 

No, because there are two types of licenses: those that regulate practice, and those that regulate title only.

The first type is a license to "do" something that the ordinary citizen can't do, like practice law. That's the kind of license that you are thinking of. The second type doesn't actually confer any practice powers; it only confers the right to use a particular title.

We may or may not agree that titles like "bachelor", "master", or "doctor" should be subject to regulation. But states do have the power to license the use of titles if they see fit.

 

The whole point of delegating power to the states is to give them flexibility to address local conditions. If every state had to accept every other state's licenses, then this point would be completely subverted. Everyone in the country would simply pursue a license from the easiest possible jurisdiction, and their home state would be forced to recognize it.

For example, California tests civil engineers on seismic design principles. Alaska tests them on arctic engineering issues. Florida, on the other hand, doesn't require tests on either of these subjects. If a licensed engineer from FL can automatically waive into a CA or AK license, without any demonstrated understanding of state-specific issues, then CA and AK have effectively lost the ability to set standards for their state.

 

In principle, yes -- although I also think that state/territorial licensing rules should include automatic initial licensure for any school with USDoE-recognized accreditation. This would be similar to CalBar automatically approving any law school with ABA accreditation. In other words, an accredited school should be able to immediately offer DL degrees nationwide without doing anything -- not even filing paperwork -- in the individual states.

As with any other state license, an accredited school's license would be subject to revocation for cause. If there were numerous complaints about the operation of a particular school in a particular state, then that school's license for that state could be revoked, even if it did have valid accreditation. So the state (and not the accreditation agencies) would maintain ultimate control. Like it or not, this is an important political consideration.

As for unaccredited DL schools, I would leave it up to the states. The state could allow them without reservation, or allow them with a disclaimer, or have a separate approval process. I would suggest that state policies on out-of-state unaccredited schools should mirror their policies on in-state unaccredited schools.

My authority to implement these suggested policies in the 50+ state and territorial jurisdictions closely approximates zero.

 

In practice, there generally is significant comity. States commonly do have similar standards for things like education or examination. For example, all states accept ABET degrees for engineering licensure, and all states use NCEES engineering exams.

But there are also many niggling exceptions. States commonly differ with respect to things like years of work experience, number of references, acceptance of non-ABET degrees, supplemental exams, etc. And these are enough to cause serious paperwork issues when applying for licensure in multiple states. So why can't all the states just agree on all of these details ?

Because in the US, there is no system for forcing all 50+ states/territories to act in concert. The rules were developed independently in each state, over decades. There is a nationwide association of state boards, and it does have a recommended uniform "model law" -- but it is a private association with no legal power to enforce that "model law". To get the "model law" adopted nationwide would require an Act to be passed by both houses of the state legislature, and signed by the governor, in every state. Needless to say, that would require a huge and sustained amount of lobbying.

Now, there is one way to efficiently enforce changes nationwide -- you do it at the Federal level, through the US Congress and the President. However, the US Constitution does not give the Federal government authority over most professional licensing issues. Even if it did, asking Washington DC to dictate the rules can bring its own set of problems.

 

The jealousy

You are jealous because you cannot have this diploma. Youn can't have transcripts, you have no level of education !!

I tell you :

Prayer for Today:

Father, today I set my heart and focus on You. I choose to ignore the critical voices that would try to distract me from Your plan. Help me to forgive those who come against me and always walk in love so that I can honor You in Jesus’ name. Amen.

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

This is actually quite entertaining.

 

You sir, should be a comedian.

 

Transcripts

Have you transcripts of Missionary Chapel and Seminary ?

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

To have transcripts is very difficult.


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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

Laugh at somebody is easy, but to have a diploma with transcripts is very difficult. Have you a diploma of Missionary Chapel ? have you transcripts with the diploma ?

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

Be honest

Have you a diploma with transcripts from Missionary Chapel ?

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

...And I am Ironman!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmc27GQrRUk

 

No, but I do have transcripts from REAL universities. You do know what universities look like? Pesky institutions with libraries, dorms, sports facilities, classrooms, oh and those little things called books. Along with professors of course. I have transcripts from these silly institutions. Now, if you mean transcripts and diplomas from your so called sham school. Well then no, I do not. But you know what? I will take you on that offer, what the hell? It is only $29.95 after all. So for my amusement, I decided to purchase, I mean "earn" and "work" on my ThD from this school.

So after a gruesome 15 minutes session of filling in my name, address, credit card info and so forth. I'm happy to say, that I have earned my ThD, I received a confirmation email from the school saying that my degree would arrive shortly in the mail. And to welcome me to the ranks of doctors. So from now on, you sir, should address me as Dr Koolcypher, ThD

Peace out.

Dr. Koolcypher, ThD :smokin: