UT (Tennessee) ranks most LGBTQ+ unfriendly school

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  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  2. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    I did not see Bob Jones University anywhere, so, I doubt the validity of the ranking…
     
  3. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The schools ranked are only among those that made it to their 388 Best Colleges list.
    Of which, Bob Jones University isn't one.
     
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  5. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member


    Ah, now I see. My mistake!!
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Some schools are a little-bit more conservative in their approach to the multiple life styles. But majority of high ranking schools are very liberal on the subject.
    And not that friendly to what one may call a more conservative life style.
     
  7. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Well-Known Member

    I am surprised by some schools that you would think to be conservative, to be honest.
    I recently applied for a post-master's in program evaluation at WashU in Saint-Louis, had to fill out a questionnaire with things like "which gender do you present as? Which gender were you at birth? etc. "
    I thought that the school would be super conservative but then I got an email from my student advisor who had his pronouns listed, which surprised me for a school in a red state.
    I feel like even more conservative areas / schools are at least recognising that LGBT people exist.
    Obviously the whole controvery around Lia Thomas recently heated up debates that would otherwise not have been considered a topic on the agenda.
    I think it's a bit of a give and take.
    I do feel like most developed countries are reasonable towards LGBT people nowadays, though (except Hungary and Russia).
    I have met very conservative people who were actually quite reasonable. They had an opproach towards LGBT people that they can do what they want as long as they don't rub it in their face.
    Which is fair imho.
    I mean everyone should be able to be themselves and be accepted and respected as themselves but in the end I feel like no one should bring too much attention to their sexual orientation , gender identity or ethnicity if it's not directly relevant to the context.
    Just live and be yourself.
    That's how people should approach it.
    I think there would be much more acceptance and normalization if people went about it this way.
    What does it matter who you fall for or how you identify as when you're taking a class called Bus503 "Marketing Essentials"?
    After all that class will focus on segmentation, the 4ps etc. and not about the history of Stone Wall.

    At work I work with a lot of conservative republicans and in all honesty I have to say that I never heard them say anything hateful about people who belong to a minority.
    In fact most of them are super reasonable.
    I think stuff is labeled too soon as "hate speech" nowadays.
    People should be more careful with what they consider intolerance.
    Sometimes disagreement is already labeled intolerance.

    Most conservatives will recognise that most LGBT people live a normal life and just want to go about their day.
    I think it's the few very loud SJWs who work on their nerves ( and as a centrist, mildly left-leaning person I can tell you that SJWs work on my nerves too).

    Depends from what angle you look at it.

    What measurements were used to measure the LGBT-friendliness of a school?
    Those parameters can also subjective.
     
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2022
  8. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Why is that fair? Straight people should be allowed to rub their shit in other people's face though, huh? Why? Cause they are more equal than gay people?
     
  9. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Well-Known Member

    I don't believe anyone should be allowed to rub their sexual orientation in someone else's face. Simply because it's no one's business what one does in their bedroom.
    Whether that person is male, female, non-binary; whether that person is white, black, Asian, mixed, Latino; Whether that person is gay, straight, bi, pan: I believe that nobody should openly display something that relates to their sexual activities / orientation / preferences because it's intimate, personal and doesn't relate to the public interest.

    Why should it matter in a university that other people know which people someone sleeps with?
    That doesn't relate to anything academically so it's simply irrelevant.

    This applies for all sexual orientations without discriminating or distinguishing.
     
  10. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Do you believe a straight person with an opposite-sex spouse should lose their job for wearing a wedding ring, or for putting up a couple or family photo in their office?

    Because these are open displays that relate to sexual orientation. And these are actions that when LGBTQ+ people do, they're accused of rubbing their sexual orientation in other people's faces.
     
  11. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    I wouldn't worry too much when applying to schools that have some favorable or unfavorable news. The school doesn't make the student or teacher any better if effort isn't put into good work habits and time management. I came from a pretty disadvantaged high school in the worst parts of town, you still have some good/bad teachers and students that win awards. Unfriendly attitudes are everywhere, don't let it distract you, your main goal is completing your education or if you are looking into teaching, keep it simple by staying on your course and treat others the way you want to be treated...
     
  12. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Well-Known Member

    Wedding rings are personal decoration, nothing wrong with that.
    Family photos are not needed in an office since an office is a work environment, not someone's cosy corner.
     
  13. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    True. Especially having graduated from Liberty!
     
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  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What a dreadful attitude towards the well-being of one's employees.
     
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  15. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

  16. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    I say to love everyone. Let God sort it out.

    I wonder - How does an institution or any other individual determine whether someone is LGBTQ+

    I have been shouted at too many times for innocently addressing someone by the wrong pronoun. It's not always apparent. I am happy to address anyone as they desire to be addressed.
     
  17. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Awesome, I never saw that episode. YouTube to the rescue! That is a cool quote, Do it for her...
     
  18. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Though these are not evident among all LGBTQ+ individuals, the following could be some of the reasons:
    *Demeanor (maybe flamboyant gay male; macho gay female)
    *Rainbow insignias or apparel
    *Affiliation with a Pride organization(s) on campus
     
  19. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Well-Known Member

    There is still a lot of discrimination but less towards the LGB and more towards the T because LGB have benefitted from visibility for far much longer than trans people who have been marginalized and hidden from society until Caitlyn Jenner came out.
    Donald Trump even denied a post-op trans woman participation in the Miss Universe Canada pageant in 2012. So the discrimination towards trans people is still fresh in society.
    The discrimination is sadly mostly for trans people.
    The other 3 letters don't face discrimination on the basis of gender identity. Trans people do.
    There should be inclusivity towards trans people.
    The L, the G and the B have been accepted long ago by society already.
    It's for trans people (especially trans women's ) suffering that there should be more consideration.
    The other 3 letters have achieved equality long ago already.
    It's trans people who are targeted by conservative people with stupid bathroom bills, denial of puberty blockers to trans children etc.
    Being trans is a medical condition for which a scientific basis exists.
    The other 3 letters are something different ( someone's sexual lifestyle ) than being trans and have nothing to do with one's gender identity.
    They are just grouped together because the 4 letters are all minorities but that's literally all they have in common.

    It's trans people who fought for the rights of the 4 letters.
    Many people sadly seem to have forgotten that.
    Marsha P. Johnson, a trans woman, risked her life at Stonewall in 1969 for human rights.

    Indeed, everyone should be loved and valued for who they are.
    Discrimination is making a distinction there where no justifiable basis to make such a distinction, exists.
     
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2022
  20. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    LGB people haven't achieved equal treatment in every country, nor likely in every locality or important institution even in the most socially liberal countries.
     

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