UST/Luna - Worthless now!

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Oh, yes, indeed. The full horror, from "Mr. Hanky" to the weekly "killing of Kenny." You don't kill third-graders! I used to watch Kevin Spencer too - at 15, rigidly addicted to cough syrup and cigarettes (Kevin, not me.) Right until the whole series was exposed. It existed only in the mind of Allen, the Goose.

    Tell me, Dustin - was Eric Cartman's biological father finally revealed? I suspect "Chef."

    ...And some people can't understand why I got rid of TV. :D
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  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Phillip and Terrence?
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, it has a really great recruiting pipeline of Roman Catholics who've had enough of their own denomination's hierarchy. But is that sustainable for the next three centuries? Probably not. In the long run I expect that the majority of churchgoers in the Anglican Communion will be in Africa and India, not in the Five Eyes countries.
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I think you're there now. Not that this is a bad thing of course. (My not-so-latent White Supremacist outlook must be carefully stifled.) I do notice that the large and growing population of Anglicans in Sub-Saharan Africa seems to be actively hostile to the American Episcopalian view of sexuality and morals. Both sides seem to mean it, too, which does not bode well for the future of the worldwide Anglican Union.

    As for Rome...well, two thousand years of continuous operation suggests that the Church will get through even these scandalous times. Now, why that should be so is a mystery to me.
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's already caused a schism in the US, so I can't argue against that.

    Well, the Church of England is coming up on 500 years. I guess we'll see. (Well, maybe we won't see, but you take my meaning.)
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Or maybe we will!:)
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Oh yes. I had to READ about the show to learn those imbeciles were supposed to be Canadians. I thought their accents (and possibly mentalities) were supposed to be the products of some ridiculously famous and expensive US Eastern Prep. School. A, or possibly C.

    Never heard anyone in Canada speak quite the way Phillip and Terrence did. Not even our present Prime Minister's father ... And I've met young people from Upper Canada College, so.....
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  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Not even, say, a former Mayor of Canada's largest city??;)
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If you mean whom I think you mean, I'll gladly suspend "de mortuis nil nisi bonum" for a moment. No. Definitely not him - agreed, the messed-up thinking of Phillip or Terrence, but he didn't sound like them. Neither do his two brothers.

    Must go now -- I have to mind my own business. Been told.
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sorry, Nosborne. I missed this post until today. And yes, I did know that equal temperament was close to Pythagorean. People who learn to work on modern guitars often learn all about Pythagoras and his music discoveries and teaching in the process. In books on guitar building (and I have a few) they always tell you first about Pythagoras and notes produced by varying string lengths etc. Then they explain those ratios - and how to calculate fret distances.

    Another medieval guy I like, besides Guillaume de Machaut, is Francesco Landini, 1325-1397. He was a real "rock star" of his time and his songs have very interesting rhythms. And yes - as you said, the instruments don't seem to be tuned with much difference to today's. Pretty good excitement here for the 14th Century. More about him here:

    An Un-Pythagorean memory - I remember once, in a shop run by a complete hack, the owner had grafted on a fingerboard that had been cut short at the second fret - to some nice old guitar that had been badly damaged. Looked OK at first - then I picked it up - with one fret removed, the scale length had been changed, making all the frets out-of place. Couldn't get one proper note out of it - except the open strings. I showed the owner - he wouldn't believe me. The shop closed a couple of months later. I don't know what the guy did for drinking money after that. Guess he didn't know about Pythagoras.

    Yes - I know about power chords - and I'm fairly sure of why they became so popular. They were pioneered by a real genius - you may have heard of him. His name was Link Wray and he had some instrumental hits in the 50s - the biggest was "Rumble." Mr. Wray remained an avid experimenter to the end of his life. Here's what Google has to say about him:

    "Link Wray: Father of the Power Chord Link Wray is the man who is said to have inspired rock-and-roll legends such as Pete Townsend and Neil Young with his power chord guitar playing. Link Wray was 76 when he died earlier this month at his home in Copenhagen."

    Powere chords are missing the third all right. Not sure if it was to avoid dissonance. Power chords can be substituted for majors or minors. The difference bwtween a major or minor chord is a natural or flatted third. So - you normally have to learn two chord forms form each key. To learn power chords, you only need to learn one form for each key. Works for minor and major. On only three strings, usually. MUCH Easier, particularly beginners. Also, the one form you use can be slid up and down for other keys without your fingers having to make a different chord shape. Slide the whole pattern over one string, use the 5-4-3 strings instead of the 6-4-5 and you don't change the shape. Your fingers fall right in position. And you can slide up and down through some more keys. Technically, you could make all 12 keys - 24 chords, major and minor, with the same finger position. Learn one, make 24! Smokin'!

    I think with an electric, using the bass strings this way, you can also get much more good ol' American muscle in your sound. Helps generate the dramatic ominous rhythms associated with Heavy Metal playing. Avoiding dissonance? Not a rock thing, from my point of view. The opposite - Distortion has been a big thing since the day in 1951 in Clarksdale MS when Ike Turner's Kings of Rhythm (yes - THAT Ike Turner) piled into Ike's station wagon with their instruments - and guitarist Willie Kizart's amplifier fell off the roof and the speaker was damaged. They made it to Memphis - and the distorted sound of the damaged speaker was left on the recording of their subsequent hit, "Rocket 88." It sold like crazy - and a few years later any musician could have the same sound by picking up a fuzz-tone unit. Nowadays, you can dial up all kinds of distortion, intentionally - the controls are included on your amp.

    Nah. I really think Mr. Wray only had the end sound in mind- and maybe the simplicity of power chords. He was really good at things like that. :)
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The Italian language of Landini's day had very interesting rhythms of its own. Geoffrey Chaucer used them in his English poetry. He was fluent in Italian, having worked there for quite some years.
  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    One thing that I really hate is how loud popular music is played, live and recorded. I’m sitting outside at a wedding I just attended. I can’t sit inside. Pain in the ears is a late sign of music that is doing physical damage to one’s ears. One attendee said that he just turns his hearing aids down. Well, first, at 68 I don’t need hearing aids because I avoided music that made my ears hurt and second he is continuing to damage the hearing he has left. So stupid.
  13. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    One of the many reasons I don't like bars and clubs is the loud music. If you can't hear the person next to you because some guy is playing guitar on the other end of the room at maximum volume, I don't want to be there.
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  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    And as the evening progressed the dj turned it up.
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  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't care for loud music because the sound waves bounce off walls and distort the music. Within 6 months of each other, I attended at the San Diego Sports Arena--worst acoustics ever--an ELO concert and a Stevie Wonder concert. One of them handled the acoustics perfectly while the other produced a cacophonous mess. (Do I really need to identify which?)
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's ALL wrong. The bartender should just make the drinks stronger. :) I agree - I like music at a sane level. I remember guys crawling into speakers in the 60s at concerts. You couldn't talk to them, then. Now you can - but they can't hear you.
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sometimes it's the opposite. You can't hear the guy who is playing guitar really well, for the loud so-and-so next to you.
    I remember sitting outdoors on the grass at Artpark, Lewiston NY - 1979, I think, at a B.B. King concert. (Lots of outside seating - nice.) Some fat clown about 10 feet from me, reeking of weed and Jack Daniel's, was singing along with B.B. VERY LOUDLY. I couldn't hear my man, over "Fats." And the clown was about six-feet-nine, so what could I do? Nothing. I had to wait till he passed out. About 20 minutes, IIRC.

    Another time, again late 70s, IIRC, I was in Toronto, by myself and saw a sign on Yonge St. - Buddy Guy and Junior Wells, at the Colonial - a big bar that was a music Mecca in those days. In I go - Just in time for the start of a set. One of the best Blues experiences of my life until some loudmouth comes up and hollers to me "WHO ARE THESE GUYS? THEY ANY GOOD?" So, hoping to get rid of him, I told him who they were and how famous, so then he asks 'ARE THEY GOOD ENOUGH THAT THIS PLACE CAN CHARGE $2.75 FOR A BEER? And on from there... Couldn't shut him up. Damn lucky for him I'm a coward. He ruined that set. I heard the second, though. Well worth the wait.
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Funny thing - girls always had more brains than to do that.... :)
    Each can smell pretty noxious on its own. Together? A TOTALLY ugly combo!
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  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    But ask any physician. Long term loud music does physical damage that does not recover. I sometimes wonder if the attraction is the pain induced endorphins.
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  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Short answer - yes. Longer answer - that and many other factors. Research paper with 'em all, here: Loud Music.pdf

    Short answer from Google - just as you said, O wise Counselor, Judge and "Killer of the Keyboard." :)

    "In one study, researchers found that loud music activated those brain regions that are associated with euphoria drugs, such as cocaine. There is evidence that music elevates endorphins connected with pleasure centers in the brain."

    Endorphins -yes. They don't seem to be sure about pain. They talk of pleasure-induced endorphins - but I. too, wonder if they're all pleasure-induced. I'm on your side, Nosborne. especially about the damage. I started worrying about that early on. I'm glad I did.
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