US intelligence: Russia plans to attack Ukraine early next year

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Tucker lies. All the time. Uncritical parroting of Russian, CHICOM, and Iranian lies, for a supposed "journalist", is a form of lying. He frequently uses "just asking questions" technique and other tricks to avoid accountability, while promoting the works conspiracy theories, up to and very much including white supremacist tropes.
    It looks to me that they are trying to get to the narrowest rules that would allow things to be expected in wartime. Like calls for resisting aggressor with violence.

    You like culture, Charles, and historic precedent? Here is a quote from a rather famous 1942 article by Ilya Ehrenburg:
    "“Do not count the days, do not count the miles. Count only the Germans you have killed. Kill the German - this is your old mother's prayer. Kill the German - this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the German - this is the cry of your Russian earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill.”

    Pretty sure I heard of this piece in school. I was 12 in 1991. Here's a kicker: I'm pretty sure Facebook would still not let to post something similar. It's more about it being OK to say that russian troops on Ukrainian soil should be liquidated. As they properly should be. One post I did see on FB made fun of the way "Rash trups" are called in English. "Trup" is Russian for "corpse".
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the interesting post. This Anglo-Saxon narrative is new to me. The term, I'm guessing, refers to European Union, NATO, Canada, Australia, etc.? But aren't many European countries of Slavic heritage? Those are more related to Russians than Anglo-Saxons, are they not? Is Israel also an Anglo-Saxon country?

    I don't want to control Russia. If I was somehow put in charge in Russia I'd probably fire Khuylo Putin and put Alexei Navalny in charge then never want to ever be involved with Russia again.
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In the mind of the pro-Kremlin media, the term “Anglo-Saxons” means “evil”, “belligerent” and “morally corrupt” westerners.
    Synonyms include Anglo-Zionists and Globalists, NWO etc.


    Disinfo DB:

    https://euvsdisinfo.eu/disinformation-cases/?text=&date=&disinfo_keywords%5B0%5D=77329&offset=0
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    When you're at it, make sure they have no nuclear arsenal from then on. When they left Yeltsin in charge, they thought they'd never have to be involved with Russia either.

    When people complain about "GosDep", US, and in general "the West" "controlling" something, they fail to realize this is not undesirable. If Ukraine was truly a US "puppet", we'd avoid many stupid mistakes we keep on making. I would gladly go to the new Houston Consulate to vote for any leader who would simply promise to follow advice from US Embassy on everything.
     
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  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Ukrainian soldiers yell 'God save the Queen!' when firing UK-made missiles into Russian tanks, report says
    Mia Jankowicz
    14 hours ago
    Business Insider


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  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    One of the things that makes me feel a strange kinship with Ukrainians is that they seem to cuss very similarly to the way we do here in the USA. :oops::p
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Проклятие право! :)
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    правильное проклятие?
     
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Your: правильное проклятие? = The right curse?
    My: Проклятие право! = Damn right!

    When in doubt with Slavic languages - use GOGOL Translate. :)
     
  10. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    So Breitbart said Facebook book allowed the Ukrainian President to call for war crimes to be committed against surrendering Russian soldiers. True? Not true? The article says he's now said he will comply with international law. This morning's address to Congress should be interesting.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/15/zelensky-softens-armys-slaughtered-like-pigs-threat-russian-soldiers-surrender-we-will-treat-you-decently/
    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1496812748059160583?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1496812748059160583|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/15/zelensky-softens-armys-slaughtered-like-pigs-threat-russian-soldiers-surrender-we-will-treat-you-decently/
     
  11. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Any sentence starting with "Breitbart said" can be safely dismissed. If the information is correct, it will be repeated by a more reputable outlet. More likely, like most of what Breitbart writes, the truth will be extracted from the sensational by actual journalists and the rest will be ignored.
     
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    For the context, I went to bed late last night, as every night. We tend to stay up well past midnight, when my wife has a chance to check on her mother to learn if she was not bombed by Russian soldiers. But sure, I will do the important duty, read through Breitbart word salad and answer Charles Fout. Because Charles Fout has concerns about Facebook "censorship" and whether Russian trups are treated with all possible humanity.
    The Breitbart article is garbage. Most of it is filled with content that has nothing to do with implication that "Zelensky called for war crimes". Which he did not, and the article is not even claiming that. What it refers to is a (apparently now deleted) post on Ukrainian Special Operations Forces page, where they threatened to not accept surrender from Russian artillery squad units in response of them starting targeting residential areas, directly endangering civilians. You know, an actual war crime, that somehow didn't make it into Breitbart report. I wonder why. So, now tell me, Charles Fout: do you really need an answer about rather meaningless Special Operations Forces facebook post (SO rely on the element of surprise, and assuming they really do raids on the artillery positions, it's not like they are usually in position to accept anyone's surrender - or even give them a chance to offer it)? My inlaws slept on the floor in a corridor tonight, so they are not near the windows in case of another air raid or rocket strike by those noble Geneva Convention-protected Russian soldiers Breitbart and Charles Fout are so concerned with. Do not worry; Russian soldiers are treated better by Ukrainian captors than by their own commanders; reports are that they are running out of their expired MREs because they were supposed to win 2 weeks ago. Surrender to Ukraine, stop killing pregnant women in hospitals and taking mental patients hostage, AND get a hot meal - that's a pretty sweet deal.
     
  13. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    That's what Anthony Weiner said.
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I don't care what is it you refer to; presumably they got something right once. Just like Sputnik is a hostile foreign power info warfare weapon, Breitbart is a white supremacy-light venue. I won't even check a weather forecast from these tuckers. Manipulative shiitake you linked actually illustrates it nicely.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Breitbart is EXTREME right wing media that dabbles in racist nonsense. MediaBiasFactCheck rates Breitbart in the questionable category of sources. Although it is orders of magnitude better source of information than the despicably horrible Russia TV and Sputnik News previously pedaled here by Mr. Fout.
     
  16. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    Please ask Mr. Huffman which resource is reliable enough to verify what actually happened. Anthony Weiner is a convicted sex offender and former NY Congressman. Sad story. Do your own research. As stated, I monitor a variety of news sources. Andrew Breitbart was a Great American. He is no longer with us, but his news service lives on. Surly, Mr. Huffman can do better. Accusations of racism is apathetic action. Perhaps his media bias club is still pretending Anthony Weiner is not a convicted sex offender.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Dustin gave the best answer regarding Breitbart.
     
  18. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    This is the point where I throw my head back and laugh at you. What does Dustin say about Anthony Weiner, whose 'Media bias' rating could not stop him from getting convicted as sexual offender?
     
  19. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Weiner is a sex offender. Breitbart happened to break the story. Great. It was then verified by actual journalists.

    For every Anthony Weiner there are a dozen stories about George Soros funding antifa or "no-go zones" that don't add up.
     
  20. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    And... Anthony Weiner and the 'reluable' media called Andrew Breitbart a liar. Fascinating thing about antifa is that so many argue there is no such organization. George Soros remains a mystery to me but, I don't think he's one of the good guys.
     

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