Upgrad new French DBA

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Johann766, Apr 18, 2023.

  1. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    Upgrad has a new DBA from France.

    It Claims:

    "French Ministry of Higher Education, Research and Innovation

    French National Accreditation"

    and it is offered by ESGCI.

    I couldn't really analyse the nature of this offer but considering that the Fee is "only" 10k I believe that it is not the real PhD deal.
    A quick Google couldn't really clear up things.
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Uh - thanks for all the links, Johann. :(

    (1) This school (a division of another) has about 1,000 students - all B&M. No mention of distance ed.
    (2) I think the $10K is per year. It's a 3 year program.

    Upgrad is basically an ad site for schools. My impression: Upgrad itself doesn't seem to know or care about accuracy or details - they leave all that to their clients - the schools.

    "A quick Google" reveals plenty of links - including a YouTube video about the DBA program and this page:

    You can click on the DBA from there. Full curriculum and course descriptions. BTW - it's an "Executive DBA" program. Bonne chance!
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2023
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    On further examination, it appears that 10K is Euros, not $US. I think it's ~31,650 euros for the 3-year gig. So, almost $35K for an "Executive" DBA plus the cost of living for three years in Paris - very enjoyable, at atrocious expense. Merde alors! C'est trop! Incroyable!
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Heriot-Watt University's DBA is around $35K, and that's for a VERY well-established degree. Yet people still search for another deal. Maybe it's not the price.
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Maybe it is - maybe it isn't. The OP thought it was $10K complete - and that was reasonable to think, if all you read was the Upgrad blurb. Heriot-Watt is certainly a good idea. And it IS a distance program, which ESGCL doesn't seem to be.

    Just don't let WES evaluate your Heriot-Watt degree. Go to ANY other legit evaluator, and you'll do fine. At WES, you might be stuck with an equivalency of an Associate's or something equally ridiculous. Oh, right. that was for a Heriot-Watt MBA. Who knows...WES might stretch all the way to a Bachelor's for the DBA!!
  6. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Upgrad has been adding and removing programs aggressively, they 'had' other well known partners and I don't see them on the list anymore... It's interesting that they've added more GGU offerings too, especially since these GGU degrees are graduate ones, I don't think they're even offered on site/on campus locations.
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I think they probably are. From Golden Gate's Grad School page:

    "With an array of specialized instruction, online education, and accelerated degree programs, GGU gives students the flexibility to attend school part- or full-time, in person or online."

    It's here: https://www.ggu.edu/degrees-and-courses/graduate/#programArea=.all&level=.graduate
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Maybe I'm forgetting something--that happens a lot--but as I remember the incident in question, it wasn't WES who came to that conclusion; it was one of 10 registrars at US schools when asked by John Bear. Nine said they would consider the Heriot-Watt MBA as the same as their MBA; one said it looked like an associate degree to them.

    If WES stayed with what they told me--erroneously, of course--they would treat a professional doctorate from a European school as a "master's-plus," or something like that. I would infer, therefore, that they would treat the H-W DBA as such. (And would be utterly foolish in doing so.)
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Rich. I knew the story originated with John -- but I got the details wrong. The story is exactly as you wrote. I shouldn't be blaming WES for things they didn't do. I'm sure the things they HAVE done - particularly WES Canada - will suffice. :)
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  10. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    I'm referring to the ones that are here: https://www.upgrad.com/ca/sjd-doctor-of-juridical-science-ggu/
    And here: https://www.upgrad.com/ca/doctor-of-business-administration-from-golden-gate-university/
    A Law degree here: https://www.upgrad.com/ca/llm-from-golden-gate-university/
    Even their MBA has a disclaimer: https://www.upgrad.com/ca/mba-from-golden-gate-university/

    *Only those residing outside the United States of America may apply to this program

    Update: This seems like a good program if you get the 70% off, as there is a on-site component... Interesting indeed how they've managed to get some institutions such as GGU and removed Arizona and some German university from their list.

    Link: https://www.upgrad.com/ca/ms-in-business-analytics-golden-gate-university-usa/
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  11. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    One day maybe USA potential students can apply?
  12. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    I couldn´t find the "ESGCI" in the German Anabin system.
    Interesting how Upgrad presents the tuition fee:

    Programme Fee: USD 10,000
    EUR 10,000
    *Flexible Payment Options Available - Apply Today.

    So what? 10000 USD plus 10000 Euros? Or can I choose 10000 usd or 10000 euros

    Johann wrote that it costs more than 30k in total, Upgrad doesn´t mention that the fee is 10k per year, they seem to hide this somethere in the brochures.
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    They just plain get it wrong. Frequently. I noticed, when I was listing Fashion Doctorates, a while back that they seem to make an undue number of errors. In fact I stopped looking at their lists and went to other sources that were better-presented and better-informed. And in almost all cases, I went to the actual school site, too.

    Yes, this DBA seems to be roughly $10K Euro per year according to the school - they listed a full price for the 3 years - in euro - as around $31, 650 euro. Their tuition for other grad degrees was listed by year and it was usually right around $10K.
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2023
  14. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

  15. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Actually, I spoke with the UpGrad Admission Representative, she stated that the entire program is only $10,000.00 American Dollars.
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Suggest you speak to the school. They listed a full price of 31,650 euro. And that makes sense, within their general pricing scheme - grad degrees around 10,000 / yr. I've seen Upgrad get similar things wrong before.
    Thats; why I stopped using them as a reference.
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  17. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    If it is 31,650 Euro, then it is better to stay with Montpellier Business School for 30,000 Euros. At least it is cheaper, the school has longer history for over 100 years plus triple accreditations.
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  18. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    I find it hard to get information about this school, probably because my French is too weak.
    As Johann wrote they claim to have 1000 students, but Ous Royal claims to have 11k graduates too on their new homepage https://www.academy.zuerich/ which is obviously a joke.
    I neither couldn´t really verify their "mother school" Paris Graduate School of Management.
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Exactement, mon ami. :)
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    (1) PGSM is here: https://www.business-school-pgsm.com/ - and here's what they say about ESGCI
    (2) I don't find 1,000 students hard to believe, with a credible school of this nature.
    (3) We've talked about OUS "Royal" before. Lots of times... oh yes, lots.
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