UOP's Perception!

Welcome to degreeinfo. It's great to see another Chief Personnelman on the board. Even if you did join the dark side.

 

Did I tell you my father was Darth Vader. I know that doesn't make sense but then it didn't make sense in the movie either.

What's with all the Virginia people. Is it quaint embarrassing local custom day?

 

It is likely few--if any--of us are "Virginia people." I'm from California; I only work in Virginia.

 

Charles,

Thanks. Depsite the fact that I became a Liimited Duty Officer, most of my assignments as a Naval Officer were in the Personnel area such as Personnel Officer on ENTERPRISE, Administrative Officer on LEXINGTON, OIC of two PSDS, and XO of a PSA.

I served 11 years in Europe (Defense Attache Office Oslo Norway - Hardship tour - lol; PSD Brawdy, Wales; PSD Vaihngen, Germany, and PSA Europe in Naples, Italy).

I retired from the Navy in 1995 and have been primarily working with the Navy, previously as a contractor and now as a federal emloyee at the Board for Correction of Naval Records.

My Navy personnel experience is a big plus at the Board for Correction of Naval Records.

I am originally from Kentucky but came here because of the job market.

Got interested in distance learning last year, and started a Masters Program in Organizational Management with UOP.

Find it amusing that some people dish on UOP without knowing all the details of the program. While I do not agree with their marketing technigues, I have been pleased with the quality of their education and instructors despite the fact that most are adjunct professors. I completed my undergraduate degree with University of Maryland - University College in the traditional classroom setting.

Fred

 

I knew you had to be one of the good guys.

I'm envious of your job. I have always been in awe of the BCNR. I have assisted many Sailors with petitions to the BCNR over the past several years.

I will soon complete my current tour as the CPOIC of a CSD. My next assignment is with a strike fighter squadron.

 

Charles,

I would not be too envious. The job requires a great deal of research. Furthermore, some of the cases go back to before WW II and the records that we have to review are in extremely bad shape. Furthermore, except for the few manuals that have been saved over the years, no one has a good research library to go back to for cases that are old. Finally, most of the research involves researching old paper records and mircofiche and in a significant number of cases, the documents are extremely hard to read or missing because of the aging of the documents.

Best of luck to you in your career. Which they had Online classes when I was on active duty. Maybe they are not as good as traditional class. However, I think they serve a great purpose. Maybe not for everyone.

All the best,

Fred

 

Just my observation

Not to bring up a reeeeeally worn-out topic again, but let's say that Trinity College and Seminary was RA accredited. Would I want to attend it--I had thought of it at one time until I found out it wasn't accre . . . ahem, "RA" accredited (Let's hear it for Liverpool!)

If, however, I found that they went RA today, I'd still avoid them like the plague. Not because they don't have a decent academic program, but because the've forfeited any and all respect I could have had for them; shifty and deceptive practices of advertising accreditation, so as to make you, the un-learned initiate, think you're really getting something when you're not. And if that wasn't enough to thwart my sights away from their direction, Trinity's explanations for their actions reveal the on-going support of this deception. So, even if they went accredited tomorrow, I wouldn't touch their program.

Along comes the topic of UofP. Not a degree mill--hek, they're RA accredited, but walking a thin line on the plank that falls into the sea of disrespect,. With respect to you folk who are doing your work at the UofP, I myself would have to seriously consider the academic quality in view of the advertising slams UofP has fowarded onto the public; can I trust this school's quality and ethics in view of the way they market the University? (You folk their say we can. That's a start.) I think is something of that which is hitting at the heart of those who don't care for the school.

Again, it's not a degree mill, but it's on shakey ground (as is my darned spelling half the time) in many folk's eyes, because with rare exceptions, a school had better at least equal persistance in their funding of the academics as they do marketing the product. If the school doesn't, they should at least not advertise the fact that it's not happening. That's the issue to me.

Keith

 

Re: Just my observation

You say that as if it is a fact that they spend more on their marketing. That is NOT fact. Rather, it is a statement by somone who has contempt for the school. I still fail to see how using the Internet to advertise has anything to do with the ETHICS, or QUALITY of the program. Academians still come out against online learning because it somehow "cheat" the system. The same prejudice is being presented here with regard to the marketing strategy UoP has. PEOPLE, THEY OFFER ONLINE DEGREES.....GIVEN THIS, HOW IT IS LOGICAL THAT THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED UNETHICAL OR WITHOUT QUALITY BECAUSE THEY ALSO MARKET ONLINE?

UoP made $ 1 billion last year. There is room to deliver quality programs. Of course there are better schools, and there are definitely better options (considering the price), to infer that their markeing strategy magically makes their program worthless or unethical is insane.

What I have seen is that those on top are always picked on. What online school wouldn't want to have the enrollment numbers that UoP has?

 

This thread is still raging ?

Wow, another thread about the University of Phoenix.

This is about the third one in the last year.

 

Re: Re: Just my observation

I'm not going to make any claims about UoP's quality, since I've never even taken a course from the school. However, when I was investigating online programs I discounted UoP due to a combination of: 1) cost; 2) the constant stream of TV and internet ads leading me to believe that the school might be perceived negatively; and 3) reading claims that instructors were pressured by the school to award higher grades than students may have actually earned. I don't know how much truth there is to this last point, but I didn't like the possibility, especially when combined with the cheesy (IMO) marketing and relatively high cost. I'd also rather not have a degree from a school that might actually be able to make the claim "over 10 million degrees awarded" within my lifetime. That's just personal preference though, and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the quality of those 10,000,000 degrees.

 

DeCross,

No sooner had my posted my above post and this comes in by Gary:

However, when I was investigating online programs I discounted UoP due to a combination of: 1) cost; 2) the constant stream of TV and internet ads leading me to believe that the school might be perceived negatively; and 3) reading claims that instructors were pressured by the school to award higher grades than students may have actually earned. I don't know how much truth there is to this last point, but I didn't like the possibility, especially when combined with the cheesy (IMO) marketing and relatively high cost. I'd also rather not have a degree from a school that might actually be able to make the claim "over 10 million degrees awarded" within my lifetime. That's just personal preference though, and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the quality of those 10,000,000 degrees.

Please read my post carefully. I did not say UofP was "spending more on marketing", and I have no contempt for the school; I know nothing about it. Futher, I am all for distance-learning. I'd love to do a BA (Honors) through the University of Glouchestershire's Open Theological College.

You said, I still fail to see how using the Internet to advertise has anything to do with the ETHICS, or QUALITY of the program.. It has a lot to do with ethics--and by the way, they do more than just Internet advertising. I get direct emails from them. I get indirect (imbedded into other) emails from them. I see their TV ads, their radio ads, and on and on. But to the point regarding UofP's ethics, I quote Gary again: I'd also rather not have a degree from a school that might actually be able to make the claim "over 10 million degrees awarded" within my lifetime.. This is exactly what I'm talking about. The quality is hardly what's being promoted; the sales are. And that's the issue, because it leads folk to believe that the quality suffers in view of the all-mighty dollar.

I am not against the school. I do not have contempt for the school, but as attested by people like Gary above, there are red flags up all over the place--based not soley on the amount, but particulary in the manner of UofP's advertising.

Finally, let me be just as quick to point that NONE of what I'm saying may be true. (I thought I had been more clear about this part, but maybe I wasn't.) The school may very well be good, very good. But they do not market in this manner. And so it leaves a sour taste in one's mouth, because it causes us to call into question the school's quality and, perhaps, ethics.

Hope this is a bit more clear,

Keith

 

Thank you, Commander. Navy educational opportunities have never been better. In addition to off-duty educational opportunities, the Navy is revolutionizing the way we do training. Among other things, each Sailor's professional development will include "industry standard" education and training. Earning rating related degrees and certifications are becoming part of the career path for each rating. Mess Management Specialists are already participating in American Culinary Federation (ACF) certification programs. Society for Human Resource Management (SHRM) certification could potentially become an integral part of the Personnelman/Disbursing Clerk career path.

http://www.excel.navy.mil

http://www.nko.navy.mil

 

Just for the record, that was Darren, not me. Not that I necessarily disagree with that statement as it stands.

 

Now wait a sec...

Let me get this straight now . . .

In my post, Gary, I was addressing DeCross, but I was quoting you; so I started the post out like this:

Decross,

No sooner had my posted my above post and this comes in by Gary: (at which point I quoted you, Gary.) Then I went on to quote Decross when he said, "I still fail to see how using the Internet to advertise has anything to do with the ETHICS, or QUALITY of the program."

I hope I got things right there, but if I didn't, my apologies!

Keith

 

Re: Now wait a sec...

Ah, my mistake. Heh, I even quoted the first line of your message. My excuse is that my dinner was waiting for me as I read your message, so I didn't pay as much attention as I should have. Sorry!

 

Here here! Let's hear it for combatting low blood sugar!

Starkman