Universidad del Claustro Gómez

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Mac Juli, May 22, 2020.

  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I don;t know about this but my guess is that if they will want to sell the program, it is going to be the same as any other Spanish from Spain institution that is based on short essays and online non proctored exams.
    Even the British qualifications are most of the time essay based with no exams.
    Proctored exams are only used by top schools (e.g. U of Waterloo) nowadays, very few would consider Claustro if they make it difficult to get the diploma.

    I compare Claustro with your typical Canadian career online school that has value but it is not officially recognized.

    Again, you are paying $100 for an MBA, what do you expect? Last week I sent a package to the US and spent$60 dlls so just sending you the degree would probably cost $30 USD.
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    All true - such a degree could be a benefit to certain individuals when the stars align suitably. Too bad they won't help the doctors/cab drivers and engineers/security guards, etc. who have "good" i.e. highly-recognized, degrees and professional experience, yet are denied the opportunity to use their skills in their new home.

    "What did I expect?" - I expected non-proctored, short-answer tests, just as you described. Guess I can go to Ol' Claustro without much fear of flunking out and losing my $100. Good to know...
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  3. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Nobody is forced to do anything. If you or me are Canadian Engineers and decide to move to Panama, most likely would not be able to work as Engineers. Panama has one of the most protected professional systems in latin American, it makes it very hard for foreign graduates to work there.
    If I hold a PhD from another nation and decide to move to Canada, you would think I have enough education to do a bit of research and calculate risks. If Canada is not a good option, I can go to New Zealand that has one of the most liberal systems as far as professional practice is concerned.
    One of the most liberal states that I know is California, if I have a PhD from Congo, I can try to get a teachers license in California and teach at a high school in a rural area where they are always crying for teachers. I have a friend with an engineering degree from Canada that could not find work and just did that.

    Again, nobody is forced to do anything, You should shop around and chose the best option for yourself.
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    A good comparison. I have experience with one of those. Yes, it was of some value - perhaps less than I paid - but of no use whatsoever. "If you can read, you will succeed."

    Perhaps the online schools like Claustro Gomez should send a PDF diploma to grads that they can print out themselves - save the $30 to mail it. That's what the low-cost certificate-issuing entities here do. Isn't that what the Internet is for?

    I'm also waiting for 'Internet Banking' until I can click on 'Withdraw $100' and five $20 bills roll off my printer.
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks for helping me over my "Claustro - Phobia." :)
  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    If the lack of formal recognition scares you, in my search for cheap diplomas I came across the institution below:

    These qualifications are formally recognized by the government of Mexico but they are not degree but professional diplomas.

    For what I have seen in this forum, people are not so interested in the actual education but the right to call themselves "DR", "MBA", "PhD" etc. However, if you are just interested in the education, there are plenty of opportunities at very low cost recognized by the government of an official recognized country.
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  7. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    *feeling busted*

    OK, both is important for me. I was college dropout at 24 because I was climbing the corporate ladder very quickly. However, I was axed at 28. More than 20 applications were rejected when I was looking for another job, and quite unqualified people I knew all too well got jobs I was not able to get only because they had some effing bits of paper in the pocket I did not have. I landed however a very good job... but still, some years after that, I woke up - dripping with sweat, feeling like the biggest loser on earth.

    So, yes, I must confess that the right to call myself MBA or something else *is* important for me, and yes, perhaps more than it legitimately should. But there are reasons for this.
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    A lot of things scare me - but lack of formal recognition is not one. But thanks for looking out for me. I appreciate it. Instituto Maurer is interesting. I learned that
    Diseño Adobe doesn't refer to Southwestern home design, but working with Fireworks, Dreamweaver etc. Good to know. It's a career school and I assume licensed etc. as such by the Mexican Government. I'd figure that - as in career schools in most countries, some occupations require licensing and/or additional training. - I don't see a problem with that. I think they have that disclosure on the site somewhere.

    They say they're the largest such school in Latin America. And I've never heard of them before - there are obviously some huge gaps in my education. Thanks for filling one.
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The real world if full of snobbery, the reality is that not matter what distance education you chose, snobs are always to minimize your work because it is online, distance or because it is from online school, foreign or non ranked school. If you want to beat the snobs, you have to bite the bullet and attend a high ranked and recognized school. However, I gather that you are making a good living so it mostly a personal matter and being able to shut up the snobs by telling that you are capable too.

    I was a professional adjunct for 10 years and was always denied a full time position because the lack of doctorate. Finally I decided to go the distance way and got a doctorate from a credible school but distance. My colleagues hired me for an administration position with teaching duties and considered the doctorate as a plus because the position only required a masters. Eventually, I published and applied to as many tenure track positions were available but always denied, my colleagues always gave me excuses such as not many publications, research not targeted enough, etc. Finally, the secretary of the department told me in confidence that the real reason for denial was that the doctorate was earned distance. I learned then that you cannot convince the snobs, they went the regular way and completed five year full time programs and they will never going to accept distance degrees because of their belief system that distance degrees are substandard.

    So, if your goal is to convince people that you are qualified, more than a degree is going to be your achievements and just apply for positions that give more weight to achievements and less to education. I don't know your age, but if you are already in your 40s or 50s and have tons of working experience, you might as well try to get something that requires soft skills and avoid those positions that require high level of technical skills with a graduate degree.

    I believe your live in Germany, if you go to the job market with an MBA from Claustro (or any of the distance options discussed here from Latin America, Spain, Africa, etc), it is going to make no difference to what you have right now but you are exposing yourself to criticism by the snobs that might mock you because of a no name MBA from a latin country.

    There are uses of foreign degrees from Latin or African countries but mainly for self employment, adjunct few classes on the side or to qualify for licenses. The perfect example of this last one is the character Alan Harper of the Two and half men show, this character is Doctor of Chiropractic graduated from Mexico. In the show, in more than one episode he is mocked because of his Mexican degree but as a self employed person, he is still able to practice.
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I just love that company! I've read through the entire site - it's good Spanish practice. I could probably do OK in the "Guitarra Moderna" course. I have a particular liking for Mexican guitar, as well, so I'm hoping maybe they have a "Guitarra Tradicional" course. Ever hear the music in some of those Salma Hayek movies? Caramba!

    Anyway, they have a couple of Linux courses, one using Ubuntu 6.06. 6.06? That's June 2006 in Ubuntu-speak. I know, because my laptop (using right now) has Ubuntu 18.10 - Oct. 2018 - regularly updated since, of course. 6.06 is fourteen years old. They issue new versions twice a year. C'mon, guys at Instituto Maurer. Ubuntu is free. You can get the new releases! It's also crazy good!

    I should talk , I guess - my other laptop is 1988. I bought it around 1994. No hard drive, two 720K floppies. I bought two boxes of brand-new floppies in Salvation Army a year ago, for $1 a disk. None in regular stores for around 20 years. Maybe I could get more of them in Mexico, I dunno. My Commodore 64 and my Timex-Sinclair are both at least five years older than that - and retired to a "computer museum" at the school where my son teaches all kinds of computer subjects. I found I have an unused copy of 2002 Caldera Open Linux on my shelf. My son says not to install it. It's 18 years old - I won't like it. I hear and obey!

    Instituto Maurer has some really interesting stuff. I may just take something there. Thanks.
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  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I was looking for a cheap psychology course and ended in this web site. Their diplomas are under $400 USD and have official recognition. Most of the stuff is really for personal interest like a course in dog psychology or Mexican food chef.

    Sorry but not MBAs or PhDs for $199 here but good source for education.

    I buy books and many go nowadays for $200 so the extra couple of hundred for a diploma to hang on the wall.
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I hear you. I have literally thousands of books - I've been at this a long time and I've been lucky. Many, many of my most valuable books have been bought - in mint shape - in thrift shops for $1 or less. You can't buy them ALL that way, of course, but I do have, for one example, a couple of hundred gardening books that were all $1 or less. I acquired them out of interest, while I was taking a gardening course. You can legally download the text of some pretty expensive books on the Internet for free. There are sites where you can get textbooks - good ones - on all kinds of subjects - for free. I'm not talking dark corners of the Internet here - I'm talking downloads that have generously been made freely available by the right people. Those legit sources have been mentioned here on DI and I think I might have seen some mention on DF. I'm sure DI management wouldn't like it if I start talking about Dark Corners, so I won't.

    And, like you, RFValve, I've "gone the extra couple of hundred for a diploma." Five times at career schools, so far. Programming, Photography, Gardening, Spanish, Internet lingo. Not over yet, I don't think.

    "The Truth is out there." - Fox Mulder (David Duchovny)
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