Unaccredited / State Approved!

Researching building a house is good, but actually building one is totally different. You can read about war, but it's not the same as being in one. You may research all you wish, but you only have theory. I studied the books, took the tests, paid the payments, talked to the school and I received the diplomas, submitted job applications with Chadwick on them, and transferred credit from them to other schools, read the school catalogs over the years and have kept up with what they do. You may challenge what they do with your theories but you have no direct experience with them other than talking about it. I did it, you talk about it, that's the difference.

 

1- Chadwick has been located in the same city for 14 years.
2- Is state approved
3- Accepts students from Alabama
4- Listed its faculty, at least until it started shifting them to ACCIS
5- Plainly lists requirements for a degree
6- Doesn't claim accreditation from anyone, but lists only being
State Approved

Since this thread has, as usual, drifted away from the original idea. I would like to see it come back to the original intent. To see if people having unaccredited degrees are using and having success with them, or as some say, only meet with gloom and despair. If anyone wishes to discuss their use or lack of use of an unaccredited degree, jump into the mix, or if you have some question of me I'll try to answer reasonably worded inquires. I think we orginal few have gone back and forth enough to show inflexibility on both sides, so lets have some fresh faces and new thoughts.

 

James,
Perhaps a good way to get the ball rolling on the thread that you would apparently like to see would be to first do yourself what you've already asked others to do? That is,

"If you've had success or failure with unaccredited / approved degrees, and would care to relate your experience, I would be interested to hear it."

I know that you've already provided some details in other threads but to get the ball rolling perhaps you'd like to provide some details here?

 

You did all the things one student would so. I surveyed many.

You have a vested interest in promoting Chadwick. I don't.

You focus on the educational process. I've said nothing about it.

You talk about the utility of your degree (sorta). I report the results of many.

I've offered no"theories." I've just summarized research results.

 

Rich and Bill: Thank you for providing the web links.

 

This is a good discussion about Chadwick. The participants are making excellent arguments. Chadwick is also licensed by the Alabama Dept of Education. It sounds like kf5k is winning. Kf5k has facts, knowlegde, and experience. Kf5k has been impartial.

 

Who is "winning" is anyone who comes across Chadwick and needs the full picture. James has been essential in this.

 

Just wunnerd: If for some posters it's all about "me"--and therefore they are immune to any criticism or even reasonable assessment of their educational choices--why do they insist on listing those choices, together with the slings and arrows of cruel, callous misunderstanding they have so bravely endured?

Quite literally, one does not know whether to laugh or weep.

 

One would list a choice that is believed in, and testing one's self against the slings and arrows of adversity is to become stronger and more nimble. What better way of testing one's beliefs than to offer them up to challenge. It was a refreshing little dip in the tank. Not something for everyday use, but good occasionally.

 

Well said.

 

Oh.

 

I'm sure Frank Abnagale could help Bill Huffman is his search as to why people want unaccredited degrees. Of course, Frank was a modern pioneer is creating his own degrees - they were easy to obtain, they were cheap and it was exciting work. He was a rebel and a trickster who felt the need to be an airline pilot, a doctor and a lawyer; so he could amass large amounts of money. Just like many degree mills, Frank was very successful - even after he got caught!
Dr Duck

 

Good day Mr. Hayes,

Some unaccredited schools are degree mills, others are not. Abngale used self created documents that were entirely phoney, as was he himself. I believe he would have little to add concerning discussion of (legitimate unaccredited schools), but might have much to add concerning mills. For schools like CCU and others, Mr. Abngale would be lacking in any trustworthy information. As I recall his exploits, he could sell himself as being almost anyone. He fooled experts with his quickly acquired knowledge. He must have been a brilliant scoundrel. It's a shame he didn't put his wit and charm to some real purpose, but as you say he was magnificent in his tricks, and deceptions.

Good luck with saving your feathered friends!!!!!

 

Fnhayes,

I accuse others of drifting off thread, and here I go myself, but I have a question. Here in the United States hunting organizations are often shown as donating more money to save wild life than other more liberal groups. I'm not a hunter and know little about the subject, but would like to know if the same type statements are made in New Zealand, and if you believe them to be correct? I'm not saying that I doubt these hunting groups at all, I just don't know. If you happen to see this you might comment if you wish.

 

Hi James
Your comments about hunters is very applicable to New Zealand also. I can introduce a little DL information as the last DL course I was priveleged to write while employed on-campus at The Open Polytechnic of NZ was a comprehensive environmental course on NZ WETLANDS. Part of this covered the input of waterfowl hunters into preserving, creating, enhancing and managing wetlands.
Around fifteen years ago I became involved with two South African
writers - Peter Roberts and Alf Wannenburg (my 'Uncle' will no doubt need to amend the spelling of Alf's surname). Anyhow the
pair of them visited every privately owned wetland and privately owned shooting preserve in the world and produced a massive volume - THE WORLD OF SHOOTING. This tome showed quite categorically that hunters throughout the world are by far the
greatest conservationists.
Many say that this is self-interest, and to a certain degree this may be so, but if you look at the waterfowl and wetland conservation work carried out in NZ, largely by past or current duck hunters, and particularly with our endangered waterfowl, the interest here is of an intrinsic nature as we will never see brown teal or blue duck on the hunting licence. In addition wetlands management work in NZ, which is financed and in many instances done by duck hunters, benefits a huge number of wetland bird species - not just game birds.
My brown teal manual discusses all the rare waterfowl recovery programme, with perhaps the most significant one being that of the North American Wood Duck (the Carolina). In the early 1900's through a combination of captive breeding and habitat manipulation the Carolina was saved from extinction to eventually become one of North America's most prolific ducks. The population rose from a few birds to 4 million over a seventy year period. Huge amounts of hunters money went into this project.
Duck Unlimited in the USA and Canada are prime examples of the vital role hunters play in the wetland and waterfowl scene.
By comparison the 'green brigade' make little contribution to our wetlands and waterfowl.
Dr Duck

 

I thought the hunters were probably spending some big money.
Thanks for the info. - James

 

In the words of Frank Abnagale "I concur" - with the comments from James in respect of Frank. Frank would have undoubtedly been very successful running the Romanian and/or other successful 'degree mill' operations.
Dr Bear also sums up the reasons why many internet degree providers are so successful, in his latest (and earlier) edition of his book, and discusses some of the reasons why people make these organistations the success that they are.
Dr Duck

 

There's a bunch of Wannenburgs in SA--one teaches at UPE, I think. I believe it's Abagnale, though.

 

Thank you Uncle. Have read book and seen film, but still get Frank's name wrong.
Alf Wannenburg was apparently a highly respected journalist in South Africa and Peter Roberts a world renowned photographer. He used to lunch with the Queen of England (and the Empire) when he was in London. I could never afford a copy of their WORLD of SHOOTING book, but a friend of mine could and I spent many hours reading his copy. Great stuff.
Dr Duck

 

Excellent post on the conservation efforts of hunters, Dr Duck.

Concerning state approved schools, I think Bill Dayson explained the DegreeInfo (collective) position very well. They (et al) simply can't nod and say all State Approved schools are acceptable. Even with the best of the State Approved schools, there are a lot of factors and restrictions to consider. Our commercial environment is tolerant but not fully tolerant of alternative education. The educational environment is very restrictive with little tolerance for other than RA except in certain instances. With 50 Depts of Education there are a lot of variables in law and policy at the state level although I think CA is the most comprehensive (other than NY which is grandfathered into US DOE as an accreditor). I believe that approved schools have merit if they have been approved based on accreditation-like standards and they meet the needs of the student; however each school must stand on its own.

I don't want to be perceived as peddling, but I did like CCU's spirit in going up against the educational monolith many years ago and I've enjoyed watching them steadily grow. Jeez, its like watching my kids grow up but a lot less expensive.