Trump says he would have tried to stop Parkland shooter — with his bare hands

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  1. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    You're off your rocker. On what grounds will Trump be impeached?
     
  2. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I'd hesitate to call him a liar, if only based on technical grounds. I'm almost certain that Trump actually believes the things that he's saying, even if he knows they are wrong. Doublethink. He's a narcissist who probably literally believes that truth can be shaped, the laws of history and even of physics rewritten based upon the words that come out of his mouth.
     
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  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  4. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Like I said... :D
     
  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    You can laugh, it's OK. A few months ago you all were saying that the investigation would be over by Thanksgiving, then it was Christmas, then New Years. "Nothing will be found!" and on and on. Now there are indictments, guilty pleas, plea deals galore. Who ever heard of Alex van der Zwann before last week. But now he's plead guilty and he'll sing like a bird to stay out of jail. Well what does he know? I don't know and neither do you but one thing is for sure, he knows something good or they never would have offered him a deal. And by the way, his wife is the daughter of a Russian oligarch. Potentially very juicy. So go ahead and laugh but this case is headed in a direction you won't like. Every week it looks worse for your boy. I can be patient.
     
  6. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    I don't know who you are referring to but I've never had a boy.

    You've not displayed patience.

    The direction of this case should be straight at Fusion GPS, et al.


    Edit: http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/256278/samantha-power-kassem-eid-syria
     
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2018
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I was going to remark that you're both right, but I suppose I don't agree that Clinton and Obama are idiots. Otherwise, though....
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Nevermind...
     
  9. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    "In a surprising statement, Trump suggested the extrajudicial seizure of firearms, saying "...take the firearms first and then go to court... I like taking the guns early... take the guns first, go through due process second." . . . "whether they had the right or not."

    http://digg.com/2018/trump-gun-meeting-highlights
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Kizmet, President Trump is probably referring to exigent firearm confiscation, even though no crime has occurred. However, the exigent circumstance(s) must be articulable. It's uncharted legal territory, although it does have some precedent with petitions for domestic violence injunctions i.e. in some cases, when the accused is served with a domestic violence injunction, then he cannot possess firearms UNTIL he receives due process at an expeditious court hearing. The expeditious court hearing then determines if there is probable cause to keep the accused from possessing firearms, until the case goes to trial or the case is dropped.
     
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    If I thought, even for a moment, that he was smart enough to know/think of that then I might consider it a possibility. However, Occam's Razor suggests a simpler explanation . . . he's just an idiot.
     
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  12. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    When I'm not hurling easy insults, I'd have to say that all three, Trump, Hillary and Obama, aren't idiots. All three are quite intelligent.

    When Kizmet (in my opinion foolishly) wrote "Trump is a liar, an idiot and an asshole", I didn't interpret her words as an expression of dispassionate and objective judgement. Her words seemed to me to be an angry expression of emotion, an angry expression of her tremendous disdain for President Trump. My remark, "I thought exactly the same thing about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama" was intended to communicate that I felt equal disdain and hostility for those two. Of course, in both my own case and in Kizmet's, the emotional response isn't just to the individual, it's a response as well to the kind of political and cultural changes that the individuals represent.
     
  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I would agree with this if, by "political and cultural changes" you mean putting a moronic sociopath in charge of the country.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I used to think that Trump must be crazy like a fox, or else he couldn't possible have avoided running his company into the ground decades ago. But I've come to strongly suspect instead that something (a stroke? early stages of dementia?) has happened to leave him not with the same capabilities he had earlier.

    I'm not saying that to troll, I'm perfectly happy admitting when people I dislike are intelligent (such as Dick Cheney or Hillary Clinton). But something is wrong with Trump.
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Fair enough. In Trump's case, that change is the resurging white identity anxiety sentiment and xenophobia*; yep, I'm not crazy about this in the least. However, this does not change the fact that Trump also acts like a bona fide moron

    *I hope Trump's sh*thole countries comment, his repeated blatant lie about how the DV Lottery works, and "4 pillars" ransom note dispenses with the fiction that his base is angry at the illegal immigrants on law-and-order grounds. Trump is the face of the forces that can be most charitably described as "anti-immigrant" or "anti-diversity". Or, more poetically, "the basket of deplorables".
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    We obviously dislike different people, but you're right. Dick Cheney, Stephen Miller, Stephen Harper, and... I dunno... Bannon? - are all quite intelligent. In fact, more so than some people I, on balance, like (eg. Justin Trudeau. I think he's ultimately a nice guy, but a hopeless lightweight as a PM).

    One possible explanation on how Trump managed not to lose his company is, perhaps, someone or some entity/entities decided to pump hundreds of millions into him, for some nefarious reasons. Or perhaps he stumbled upon a lucrative opportunity not requiring management aptitude (perhaps as a front for money laundering). These two are not mutually exclusive, btw, and explain many things.
     
  17. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    With the caveat that I carry a gun pretty much every waking moment, and have one close-by (secured) when sleeping, I can say with 100% certainty that I would much rather die as a hero (real or perceived) than live as a coward.
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You likely have more grounds speculating about this than an elderly pampered draft dodger...
     
  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The irony is that we have a second amendment in part to counter the threat of those in power who would disregard due process.
     

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