Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser

Bill,

Before any news outlet (a more credible one) reported that President Trump signed the bill I knew hours before because these news outlet reported it.
So my approach is simple, the more questionable the news source the more I verify the information. But many times they report actual events, the cometaries and guests are just like
the other outlets if its left media obviously they push left agenda and if its right then they push right agenda.

So fact checking is important but I don't shoot the messenger.
Some times even Iranian or Algazera news get it right.

Trump signed the bill.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/second-stimulus-check-trump-signs-023900182.html

 

Watching questionable sources because sometimes they are correct doesn't make sense. Fact checking should be THE PRIMARY JOB of a news source not the audience. The audience really can't. Watching a questionable news source such as OAN shows a desire to hear stories that agree with preconceived ideas rather than a desire to learn what is going on in the world.

Following is just a small sample of the false statements made on OAN.

Failed Fact Checks

• Would a Proposed Law ‘Ban the Bible’ in California? – FALSE
• Is an Increase in Recorded Crime in England and Wales Linked to ‘Radical Islamic Terror’? – MOSTLY FALSE
• Says Adam Schiff is “under investigation for Ukrainian Burisma oil connections.” – PANTS ON FIRE (12/10/2019)
• In January 2020, FBI Director Christopher Wray said that the bureau had illegally wiretapped Donald Trump and apologized for it. – FALSE (1/12/2020)
• Is it true that all non-emergent or so-called elective surgeries are banned due to the lockdowns put in place to help prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus? – MOSTLY FALSE (4/23/2020)
• “According to doctors with the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons over 90 percent of patients treated with hydroxychloroquine successfully recover from coronavirus.” – FALSE (5/11/2020)
• “The mainstream media pretended there was a deadly surge in COVID cases thanks to Wisconsinites voting.” – PANTS ON FIRE (5/12/2020)
• “Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment … Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?” – FALSE (6/9/2020)
• Does a “new” scientific paper definitively show that people aged 50-64 have a 1-in-19.1 million chance of dying from COVID-19? – FALSE (9/4/2020)

One correction I should make to my last post is that Ruchlimbaugh.com is in the worst category for trustworthiness. OAN is second from the bottom.

 

Bill I simply look at the statements, I don't check if statement made by left or right I simply investigate. If the reporting site is less credible I investigate more. Especially if other sites or sources are under reporting for multiple reasons.

Sites like PolitiFact and Factcheck.org are designed to verify political claims and hold parties, officials, public, radio, TV comentaries accountable. But critics say fact-checking entities are themselves biased.
University of Minnesota School of Public Affairs had done a survey of PolitiFact, and they evaluated some 500 statements that PolitiFact had rated from January of 2010 to January of 2011.
They found that of the 98 statements that PolitiFact had rated false, 74 of them were by GOP
It seems a rate of three to one and very suspicious as they're often fact-checking opinions and providing counter arguments to stated opinions.
People who evaluate statements suchas Kesseler at Washington Post indicate that actually the false statements by Dem's and GOP are in reality more equal at 50%/50% with slight deviations when or if primaries are going on in different camps.
A fact checker is more like referee in a sports game.
There are times when I make a statement and think everyone can understand what is meant by it and then when I read responses I realize that I communicated or the perception of the readers is at times very different.
For example I can say ACA was ended by Trump admin. Well that's what I said now what did I really mean by saying that.
We know ACA is still active and its easy to verify and its still popular among people so why would I say such a thing?
So what I assumed that everyone will understand is that while ACA still active the 5 changes that Trump admin did such as elimination of individual mandate that was the requirement that all U.S. residents either have health insurance or pay a penalty or the cost sharing was eliminated etc etc changing the ACA from what we know it was. By this Old ACA died and modified ACA some call Trump care continued.

So fact checking would earn me on my statement a Pinocchio.
I should have stated ACA as we know it is dead or something like that.
So the marked as false statements are they really false of these opinions poorly communicated or misunderstood by fact checker?

 

Your thinking is significantly flawed. Taking your example, a referee in a sports game, it would be ridiculously stupid for referees to try to call the same amount of fouls on both sides. That would just encourage the teams to cheat more on purpose.

Looking at the political side of things, the Republican side is controlled by a pathological liar that has made a real effort to control and enforce a web of lies that surrounds his supporters. He does this by viciously attacking any person or news source that contradicts his web of lies. This has kept politically right oriented news sources to support the web of lies that you exist in pretty much in line with Trumps lies. This will likely start to decay as he loses power. Fox News and Twitter will likely be the first that stops pandering to the President's lies. So your assertion that the fact checkers are biased in the way that you are asserting is false. The truth is that Trump's lies and him "forcing" the right media to spread his lies is why 74 out of 98 fact checks were against the right media. At least I'm sure that is what an analysis would conclude, since I haven't reviewed those 98 fact checks that you reference.

 

Bill, if the teams had same amount of fouls then referees will call same amount of fouls. And that what some of the fact checkers state when interviewed. Not that they manipulate the #'s , the other way around the numbers usually equal with slight deviations. So you misunderstood what I stated.
And I named one such fact checker from WP.
The left lying that Trump is pathological liar is based on gross distortions that are preconditioned in the extreme or radical leftist set of mind since the early age in education system.
Later to be enforced by higher education LIBERAL mostly system. Many usually later in their life change sides and become more conservative.
I explained in a simple example how misinterpretation of the sayings of people is happening.
As to analogy to sport, why not you have two teams that play ball or hard ball.
The nation is divided and each side believes they see the things as they really are and its really sad.
I would like to see US united, look there is noting wrong in request to lets say check the voting machines, why the objections are so strong.
If there is noting to hide, let the investigators check the machines. You hear all the people coming forward, let them be heard.
And finally as long as the constitution if followed there is hope.
We don't have Kings, Monarchs, this was taken care off in 1776.
As we all know the Gettysburg Address:
this one of the best-known speeches in American history. that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

 

One small example is the lie that the left has said hundreds if not thousands of times that the 2016 election was a fraud and that Trump was not elected. That one you admitted was false but only after pages and pages of back and forth. You couldn't find one single case. All you could find is multiple examples of the right spreading that lie. Another example of the many thousands of lies that you believe is that the 2020 election had widespread fraud. Trump is clearly a pathological liar. You just don't want to believe it. Almost sixty court cases getting zero traction. All the authorities saying that there was not widespread election fraud, etc. would prove that to anyone interested in truth. Yet, the truth is not what Donald Trump speaks.

 

Here's an example of Donald Trump losing his hold on the right media. The New York Post ran an editorial on the front page. Before that I hasten to add that the NY Post is a Rupert Murdock right wing newspaper and is Trump's favorite newspaper.


Mr. President, it’s time to end this dark charade.
...
Unfortunately, you’re obsessed with the next day, Jan. 6, when Congress will, in a pro forma action, certify the Electoral College vote. You have tweeted that, as long as Republicans have “courage,” they can overturn the results and give you four more years in office.

In other words, you’re cheering for an undemocratic coup.

You had every right to investigate the election. But let’s be clear: Those efforts have found nothing. To take just two examples: Your campaign paid $3 million for a recount in two Wisconsin counties, and you lost by 87 more votes. Georgia did two recounts of the state, each time affirming Biden’s win. These ballots were counted by hand, which alone debunks the claims of a Venezuelan vote-manipulating Kraken conspiracy.

Sidney Powell is a crazy person. Michael Flynn suggesting martial law is tantamount to treason. It is shameful.

We understand, Mr. President, that you’re angry that you lost. But to continue down this road is ruinous. We offer this as a newspaper that endorsed you, that supported you: If you want to cement your influence, even set the stage for a future return, you must channel your fury into something more productive.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/27/give-it-up-mr-president-for-your-sake-and-the-nations/

 

No I'm not supporting undemocratic coup and your saying doesn't making so. There is no undemocratic coup.
I understand there’s no chance Republicans backing Trump will be able to block the results when Congress formally counts the Electoral College votes on Jan. 6.
But if there will be objections it would be the third time Congress has had to debate an objection since 1887, according to the Congressional Research Service.
It's democratic and constitutional.

The efforts to investigate election fraud met resistance, still not clear why such strong resistance. Who is afraid of what may be discovered?
Weeks after the votes have been counted and the winners declared, many Americans remain angry, defiant and despairing.
Many Democrats are saddened by results that revealed the opposition to be far grater than they imagined.

 

I didn't admit it, its your words you putting in my mouth.
The examples were provided, especially the ones about calling Trump a Russian Spy.

Its like this fact checking, I quoted a politician and sure he paraphrased and meant these indirectly.
Like CNN calling President Trump a Russian spy what one will conclude? This is illegitimate President, he didn't relay won the elections, Russians did it for him.
We had 4 years of one after another attacks that you are trying to erase from the history.
Ukrainian phone call impeachment was one sided democratic coup that failed, just like the Russian collusion.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Those were not my words, they were the words of the NEW YORK POST! The New York post is a right wing newspaper owned by Rupert Murdock and is Trump's favorite newspaper. Rupert Murdock owns Fox News. This all just demonstrates how out of touch with reality you actually are!

 

HAHAHAHA!!! But you do this all the time, when I post something that a news outlet states you say that I say it.
So in this case its exactly the same thing only this time in reverse.
Some times on Fox news you also hear anti Trump sayings.
Last time I checked we had freedom of press and President Trump is not a dictator.
If this was Venezuela or China the anti government media would be shut down and people arrested, gone.

 

No, it's not the same thing.

The title of the article was the front page of the article. What I copied from the article was a direct quote and was in italics and it said things like

We offer this as a newspaper that endorsed you, that supported you: If you want to cement your influence, even set the stage for a future return, you must channel your fury into something more productive.

So you must not have even read my whole post let alone looked at the NY Post article linked at the end.

The point was Lerner that it is a perfect example of you refusing to accept the obvious reality of the situation. Almost sixty court cases getting zero traction. All the authorities saying that there was not widespread election fraud, etc.. NY Post calling out Trump for ignoring reality. Your campaign paid $3 million for a recount in two Wisconsin counties, and you lost by 87 more votes. Georgia did two recounts of the state, each time affirming Biden’s win. These ballots were counted by hand, which alone debunks the claims of a Venezuelan vote-manipulating Kraken conspiracy.

On the other side supporting election fraud are really nothing more than the lies of a pathological liar and Sidney Powell is a crazy person. Michael Flynn suggesting martial law is tantamount to treason. It is shameful. But most important thing supporting election fraud is YOUR FEELINGS, YOUR WANTS and DESIRES! As long as that is the way you interpret the things you read and see you will be stuck in whatever web of lies that comes along.

 

Right now I'm enjoying the spectacle of Republican Congressman Louie Gohmert requesting a declaratory judgment saying that Vice President Pence has the sole and unfettered power to decide what, if any, electoral votes to count. Wow. Just wow. All of American democracy turns on the stroke of the Texas Federal District Judge's pen. The Judge is a Trump appointee but there is no way that such relief could ever be granted. It's beyond nonsense and well into the world of random babbling.

 

I hadn't heard that a Kraken was involved in the 2020 election, by the way. Is that why so many coastal states went for Biden?

 

Bill,
You are confusing and doing this again.
If I'm reporting what Trumps team is doing or what some news outlets reporting it doesn't mean I accept or don't accept what is reported.
When you post what I call as left point of view I'm adding for a complete picture the other side of view. I may stand somewhere to the right on some items while disagree with others.
But actions taken by my candidate are open for discussion.
Why do you think voting systems inspection is blocked? There may be some valid reasons but is also suspicious that someone is trying to hide something.
That's all.
The readers, debaters can make their own conclusions.

 

On Dec 14th
Analysis of Antrim County Ballot Machines Made Public
Read the full audit done by the Allied Security Operations Group.
While the county clerk stated that the election night result of the vote flip was human error, ASOG says it’s instead due to “machine error built into the voting software designed to create error.”
I think the report had 40+ pages.
I don't think any responsible party read it or if someone read they maybe covered a few pages.
ASOG concludes, “The Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.” And adds, “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors.”

They cite three different vote counts done on different days, each time showing a change in votes for Biden, Trump, and a swing in the overall vote total.

The audit states that computer analysis shows that “On November 21, 2020, an unauthorized user unsuccessfully attempted to zero out election results. This demonstrates … direct proof of an attempt to tamper with evidence.”

https://www.9and10news.com/2020/12/14/analysis-of-antrim-county-ballot-machines-made-public/

 

BTW what does this mean to petition grand Jury to investigate?
Georgia citizens petition grand jury to investigate election irregularities (Dec. 29)

 

Nothing that will matter here.

 

Well they are trying, and I can't tell if they are telling the truth but its democratic way.
I think they have a right to be heard. I have to think that critical mass has to be reached.

 

So someone can tell obvious bald face lies but if they have ever been called a potential Russian spy then it magically makes it NOT a lie! That logic is a stretch Lerner, even for you.