Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, Nov 7, 2020.

  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Only 3 or 4 are the ones that Rudy and Sidney are talking about.
    The ones you are mentioning are by other private persons or state persons but not this legal group.
    Some Attorneys who left were afraid for their life and future due to treats.
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You make false assertions far too often. I think that it's safe to assume the rug is being pulled out from under you though rather than intentional false statements. I counted a dozen or so that the Trump Campaign was directly involved in. This article is a few days old so doesn't cover all the cases.
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    As usual you are wrong.
    Just listen or watch the Trumps Team conference today.
    I posted what they indicated.
    And they addressed your assertions and the misinformation of the media.
    You quote what media wants you to quote.
    You choose who you believe to. I have no issue with that.
    Most if not all of my posts here are based on sources that I trust and you don't
    This is as simple as that.
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Let's review.

    Rich said,
    You responded in part,
    I then responded that it is false that it is other private persons or state persons. In fact I counted about a dozen cases that the Trump campaign was directly participating in.

    So it seems clear that your assertion was wrong that the ones you are mentioning are by other private persons or state persons. It was the Trump campaign!
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Three more cases thrown out in Pennsylvania, Arizona and Georgia.
  6. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    . . . which will result in nine irrelevant new threads with nothing but lies, all of the new threads started by Lerner. :D

    . . . which will, in turn, result in a myriad of responses by otherwise credible DI members who have, thus far, been too ignorant to realize that the best way to make a troll cease is to simply stop feeding him.
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    So far I'm interested in the 3 cases that Trump Team attorneys Rudy G, Sydney etc filed.
    Other private parties filed cases and many got rejected, that is correct.

    I didn't follow the other ones.

    I just heard MI possibly will delay the certification of elections?
    Meeting in WH for Republicans from MI?
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Steve, its simply that many Democrats are here.
    I'm not a troll and so far what you call proven is left propaganda. No one proved anything beyond the left propaganda.
    Maybe I did a poor job providing conservative republican side of the coin.
    At least I tried and there was engagement.
    I didn't dismiss all that was posted. I checked links and sources as well.
    Its not about troll against the shills.
    Its about "Back To The USSR"
    Any way Georgia is on my mind.
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    OML! You had to mention it! - You know how I get! :eek: Greatly popularized by Ray Charles in 1960 (Ray was born in GA.)

    "Georgia, oh Georgia
    No, no, no, no, no peace I find.."

    No wonder he couldn't find peace!

    If Ray were still with us, (or he's listening from anywhere) I think he'd be glad he couldn't see this thread! :(
    Lerner likes this.
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    As mentioned above, the Trump campaign is involved in many more cases than just the ones that Rudy is associated with. It doesn't matter how many time you try to state that those other cases do not involve the Trump Campaign it is not going to make it true.
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill I posted what was communicated by the Trumps attorneys.
    They are alleging wide spread fraud. And on sharp contrast from the left media are trying to prove their case.
    That's all.
    If there are more cases than it contradicts what Rudy was saying during the news conference.
    I'm just observing the news.
    If % of what Sidney is saying about the Dominion Voting Systems is true, then its very troubling. Again they are putting their reputation and career on the line.
    I don't think its about money at this point al do I'm sure they will be well compensated.
    I'm sure majority of Americans wants to be assured that there was no wide massive fraud.
    I'm curious who are the people who signed affidavits, will these peoples complains be heard and get proper attention? They are witnesses to what they saw, Dem's can have them cross examined.
  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Um...the various state and local level election officials don't have to prove anything, lerner. The Trump campaign, or other Trump supporters acting in the campaign's interest, is the plaintiff and therefore has the burden of proving a case. This they have failed to do, time after time after time. The Arizona Secretary of State has mentioned seeking an award of attorney fees against the Trumpistas for filing frivolous lawsuit. I hope they get it. Meanwhile, the President is committing actual election crimes by pressing election officials to throw the election his way. I cannot express the extent of my rage that this creature is trying to end American democracy to salve his wounded vanity.
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Both sides accuse each other trying to end American democracy.
    I see you point and Bill, Rich 's side.
    People are people and I'm not surprised if filing frivolous lawsuits been filed. But this is not an indicator that all are filing such lawsuits.
    Gore had a month.
    I ask the question if all are filing frivolous lawsuits?
    Are there legitimate complains?
    I see both sides and interested in not what media is trying to put in our heads but what's really going on.
    Can a kid with a cell phone rig the voting systems in question?
    Did Venezuela, Argentina, China all use the same software in question to rig elections?
    What is the evidence to back such allegations?
    It's in the hands of courts and I assume, speculate Judges are reluctant and don't want to call the elections, to choose the winner.
    I'm not convinced yet.
    But for the good of the country I think both sides have to collaborate in the best interests of the country.
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Hillary's advise to Biden

    (He) should not concede under any circumstance ..." Hillary Clinton 2020

  16. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Stay on topic. The conversation is about Trump v Biden. Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with it. Venezuela, China and Argentina have nothing to do with it.

    So far, the lawsuits are getting tossed for two reasons: a lack of any evidence presented and because the lawsuits challenge too few votes to make a difference. If you lost by 100,000 votes then the court is not going to hear a case that involves 1,000 ballots. I feel pretty strongly that voter suppression likely took place to rob Stacey Abrams of the governorship of GA. However, dirty politics as they may have been, she lost the election and had no legal remedy otherwise. Bummer for me, her and anyone who supported her. However, a loss that she and everyone else just accepted. No one refuses to acknowledge the Governor of GA as being the lawful Governor of GA even if they disagree with how he got the job.

    It isn't actually "in the hands of the courts." There is no lawsuit pending that has the power to change the election. In fact, the bulk of the president's lawsuits, even if they were 100% successful still wouldn't change the outcome in the states. And actively lobbying state legislatures to ignore the popular vote is not just a political disagreement it's the start of a massive constitutional crisis.
  17. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    There are very fine crooks on both sides.
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    View attachment 735
    Just saw this on line.
    But if a large # of ballots ruled invalid then the state may go other way?
    2000 Florida was about equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution.
    Some arguments are similar now but margins are different.
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I forgot to add

    Dominion Failed to Appear at Pennsylvania Hearing.
    The officials with Dominion voter systems were gonna testify before the Pennsylvania House state government committee.

    "And then the House Republicans in Pennsylvania are gonna hold a press conference this morning to address Dominion’s failure to appear because that’s exactly what happened.
    They didn’t show up. Why not? They lawyered up and didn’t show up.
    Since Election Day, over 100 out of 243 Dominion employees on LinkedIn have deleted their profiles. This is not a good sign for a company. Over 40% of Dominion’s employees with profiles on LinkedIn on Election Day have eliminated their profiles."

    Dominion Voting Systems Thursday night, last night, backed out of attending a fact-finding hearing that was set for this morning with the Pennsylvania House state government committee. At a press conference Friday morning, the state government committee chair, Seth Grove, said that the 1.3 million Pennsylvanians who used Dominion’s voting machines have been hung out to dry and slapped in their faces.

    They’re supposed to testify before a Pennsylvania House committee, and they left. They didn’t show up. They closed down offices. They fled the jurisdiction. Nobody knows where they went. Plot thickens.
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Steve, It is true about irrelevant threads. I really do appreciate your post. because it allows me to defend Lerner which is a fun turn. He really isn't a troll. He's very sincere in what he says and in his beliefs. He is also really a fine fellow, I believe.

    What I personally find so fascinating about the discussions is that Lerner sincerely tries so hard to believe all of Trumps lies. So Trump has told over 25,000 lies while in office, according to Washington Post's tabulation. Most of those are repeat lies so for arguments sack let's say he's told say 2,000 unique lies. Lerner apparently believes something like 1,800 of them or something? He has admitted that Trump lies but only in the vein that all politicians lie. Then at the same time he expresses complete disgust at some misstatements that Biden made 20 years ago and 8 years ago.

    I have to explain something here. Note that I called them misstatements for Biden and lies for Trump. I'm really trying to give them both the benefit of the doubt here but for Trump, the doubt is gone. Most of those 2,000 lies have been repeated over and over and he must know that they are lies. Let me give one counter example. Trump made the misstatement many times at the start of his administration that his 306 electoral college win was the biggest electoral college landslide in recent history. After a few months at a press conference a journalist refuted this statement with the facts. Trump seemed to stammer a bit when confronted by this and murmured something about well an aide told me that. He really didn't repeat that misstatement after that. Conversely when a journalist tries to normally correct one of Trump's misstatements the reaction ranges from insulting frustration to completely ignoring and then just repeating the lie. So with Trump, we know that they are lies and like his his fellow 2016 Republican candidates called it, he's a pathological liar. So when Trump makes a misstatement, I think it is fair to assume it is a lie.

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