Trident University - DBA

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by felderga, Apr 22, 2019.

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  1. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I think if one choses to go to Liberty then one must be prepared to accept their religious beliefs. I did and I respect their beliefs. However my personal belief is that religion in general has been harmful. There is no God, and if there is one, then which god. In the Christian scriptures they are some beautiful passages but on the other hands there are hundreds of dreadful passages. Maybe we can have a separate discussion on the most beautiful and most disgusting passages of the christian scriptures.
     
  2. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The whole strict adherence to the Bible is bull. The leaders of Liberty University are hypocrites, and everyone knows it. One just has to decide if they're going to ignore their blatant hypocrisy so that they can get a discount. It's pragmatism vs. strict adherence to personal values.

    Everyone on any side of a religion picks and chooses what's important to them and when it's important. Liberty does not strictly adhere to the Bible. It never has, and it never will. If you're going to follow Leviticus, which is from the Old Testament, then follow all of the Old Testament.
     
  3. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Active Member

    Not everyone attends Liberty because of a tuition discount because it's not everyone that qualifies for the discounts.
     
  4. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    Correct, not everyone attends Liberty because of the discount. I attended Liberty because it had a program that was of interest to me. I am respectful enough to respect Liberty religious views. Liberty religious views are very similar to most of my relatives and siblings. I have not shunned my relatives and siblings based on their religious beliefs.
     
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  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Other than those who want a conservative, Christian university, attending Liberty is still a pragmatic decision for most. They might have a program that the student couldn't find online anywhere else. They might have a lower tuition rate than other online options for the same program. The students might be trying to avoid for-profit colleges, or they might not be able to get into a better school.
     
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  6. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Active Member

    I think that's pretty much every school. There's either something about the school that a student likes or they're choosing that school because they couldn't get into a better school. There's always going to be a "better" school based on the individual's interests (discipline, affordability, etc.).
     
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  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Or, they just didn't do their research and applied to the first school they saw an advertisement for.
     
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  8. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    So, what's the difference between an anti-religion anti-Liberty bigot and a racist?

    Relax . . . that was a rhetorical question.

    If you want to see something interesting, go to YouTube and punch up Bernie Sander's convocation speech at Liberty. Jerry Junior's introduction of Bernie is pure diplomacy - it might surprise you to hear him be so cordial.

    In the end run, Jerry Junior is nothing more than a figurehead. Jerry Senior was a cool guy, IMO, but his son doesn't have the style his dad did. I can't say that I give a crap about Jerry's religious doctrine. My only objections to him are (1) that he blurs the constitutional line in his support for Trump and appears to speak on behalf of Liberty, and (2) he's a whack job in terms of his position that all Liberty students should arm themselves on campus.

    But Liberty is far more than Jerry, and what they have accomplished in terms of both general higher education and distance education is nothing short of amazing.

    And, as I have said in the past, Fundie guys are hot, and their haircuts are much better than Pentecostals.
     
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  9. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Active Member

    Whatever you say, Miss Sanatone!

    I say "Doowutchyalike." The end!
     
  10. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I'm fully aware of the Bernie Sanders convocation speech. Bernie Sanders also had a town hall on Fox News, but Tucker Carlson is still a white supremacist. I had a white supremacist who was friendly to me despite his occasional rant about how black people are intellectually inferior. I was supposed to be the "exception." Actions speak louder than words. Being cordial to Bernie doesn't change the fact that Falwell decided to treat LU Democrats differently.

    If you think that blaming gay people for 9/11 makes someone cool, then you and I have different definitions of cool.
     
  11. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    And your point is? (Never mind. That, too, was a rhetorical question.)
    What, you mean that gay people didn't cause 9/11? (Lighten up. I joke about everything. Everything.)

    One of my doctoral professors, who I'll call John (because that's his name) was so right wing that he made Jerry Senior and Junior combined look like liberals. When he earned his M.A.R. at Dallas Theological Seminary he wrote his thesis on the issue of gays in the military (which he was against). Several years later, when Bill Clinton came up with his ridiculous "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, John dug out his old thesis and had it accepted by a major Christian publisher. Talk about a stroke of luck . . .

    By the way, out of the seven members of my doctoral committee, John was certainly the most politically conservative. But he became the most valuable member of my committee, and his brilliance as an academician outdid any disagreement I might have with him on selective issues.

    What I'm suggesting, sanantone, is that you lighten up and show some toleration to those with whom you have a problem. Because in the end run, no one gives a flying fart how you feel about these people, and all you end up doing is coming off as a whiny bitch. And lest you think I'm being sexist by saying that, let me assure you that I'm saying it as one bitch to another. And snapping my fingers in a circle when I say it (it's a gay thing).

    So out of curiosity, sanantone, did you protest when Jesse Jackson called New York City "Hymietown?" (Never mind - that's yet another rhetorical question.)

    As for Jerry Senior blaming 9/11 on gays, I call that playing to an audience. Pat Robertson has always done the same thing. So did Jim Bakker when he wasn't having sex with guys in the steam room. So did Jimmy Swaggart when he wasn't hiring hookers. (Swaggart gave us a great lesson in higher education: Never name a college after yourself. After his hooker scandal, Jimmy Swaggart Bible College went down the tubes. Although claiming to have seen a 900-foot Jesus didn't seem to hurt Oral Roberts University all that much...)

    Anyway, now that y'all have hijacked this thread, I'll try to get things back on track with two words: Trident sucks.
     
  12. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I'm fortunate that the professors at my school are generally good people regardless of whether they're liberal or conservative. If they have any bigoted views, they keep them to themselves while they are at work and don't tarnish their reputations in the public eye because they're in a mainstream field. I don't have to be friends with bigots. All I have to do is work well with my coworkers, and no one should be discussing politics and religion at work. I don't have to tolerate people who don't tolerate me or my loved ones or any innocent person. Asking people to tolerate intolerance is nonsensical.

    Why would you assume that I'm a fan of Jesse Jackson? Is it because I'm black and liberal? What a random person to mention; he doesn't run a college. How could I have protested a remark that was made before I was born?
     
  13. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    You're black and liberal? OMG!!! I never would have known.

    Next thing, you'll be telling me that you're female. Now that would really shock me.

    You do seem to like playing the race card. And this board is full of references to people who don't run colleges. Frankly, I get tired of the political bullshit I read here, whether liberal or conservative. The only agenda I have is that I don't like people who have agendas. I have nothing to prove.

    But seriously, as I recall, Jesse made his "Hymietown" remark in 1984, "before [you were] born." That would mean that you're under 35 years old. And, quite frankly, that surprises me. I didn't realize that you're such a young brat.
     
  14. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Active Member

    I wouldn't have known either. Liberals by definition are those who accept people even if their opinions are different from their own. Well, that's not how I see liberals operating in America. If you don't agree with them, they throw water in your face, ban your hat in their places of business, ridicule you out of a restaurant, and the list goes on. I am no conservative nor a Trump fan... but I think liberals need to check themselves.
     
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  15. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Active Member

    Same here. The adjuncts at Liberty Online have been nothing but awesome. I touched on all kinds of topics from race to religion and sexual orientation and, I'm yet to be penalized or receive any negative feedback. In fact, I've even forgotten to quote the Bible as required and, I don't lose any points. Quite frankly, a lot of these adjuncts aren't even devout Christians. I think everyone is using the figurehead Jerry, Jr. to judge the entire institution.
     
  16. felderga

    felderga Member

    It just sucks that Trident is being sold to AIU but from a cost perspective I don't think I'll find another DBA that is regionally accredited for such a reasonable cost (under $18K based on my employer discount and tuition reimbursement).

    Sanatone is definitely on point in sharing why folks are conflicted with Liberty. Again on paper it should be a no brainer to attend Liberty as its in growth mode both online and on-campus. But having mouthpiece like Falwell Jr hurts this school's image so much many like myself will have a hard time separating the man from the university.
     
  17. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Yet, you have no problem with LU pulling its endorsement of the campus Democrats. Yeah, that's so accepting and tolerant. Accepting hate toward everyone of a certain race, ethnic group, national origin, sexual orientation, etc. is not the definition of being liberal. Who told you that? Why are people in this thread conflating conservatism with bigotry? I know many conservatives who aren't bigots. There are also homophobic liberals.

    So, the "conservatives" yelling hateful, homophobic things at Mayor Buttigieg's rallies don't need to check themselves? The people who accused Obama of being a Muslim born in Kenya don't need to check themselves? Who's mostly responsible for the rise in hate crimes towards Jews and ethnic minorities? Shooting up a church or running over people is much more serious than making a fuss over a hat.
     
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  18. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    That's funny because I had a 16 year old imply that I was old. It's all relative. You have a lot in common with the 16 year old, though. Your maturity levels are about the same.
     
  19. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The bias that I've heard toward the school had less to do with Falwells' homophobia and more to do with creationism. I had a biology instructor at Empire State College go on a rant about how Liberty University thinks that creationism is real science. Would I major in a life science at LU? Probably not. They don't have a good reputation in biology circles. The bad reputation may not be warranted, but I would expect some employment discrimination.
     
  20. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Being open to opinions that are different from your own is not the same as being accepting of all opinions. Do you really think liberals would go up to a neo-Nazi and say, "I'm open to your beliefs that all Jews should be exterminated and that black people are sub-human"? Don't be ridiculous.

    While being open to opinions (reasonable ones) is part of being liberal, it's mostly about being open to new experiences, especially non-traditional ones.

    Definition of liberal (Entry 2 of 2)

    : a person who is liberal: such as
    a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal
     

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