Threat of the week from Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon

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  1. raristud

    raristud Member

    谢谢..........
     
  2. raristud

    raristud Member

    You MUST be joking. I'm sure the "ecole" would be overjoyed with so many etudiants potentiels. The etablissement would be réjouissant :cool:
     
  3. raristud

    raristud Member

    From Degreeboard.com

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    fromSAJ - Rectorat de Poitiers <[email protected]>
    Marie-Christine Vigneux <[email protected]>,
    dateTue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:13 AM
    subjectecole Robert de Sorbon
    mailed-byac-poitiers.fr
    hide details 10:13 AM (3 hours ago) Reply
    *_A l'attention du *=
    Monsieur, Suite à votre e-mail du 22 février 2008, j'ai le regret de vous informer que l'école Robert de Sorbon n'est pas un établissement privé légal en france. Il n'est pas reconnu par le ministère de l'éducation nationale.
    Salutations distinguées
    --
    Jean TAPIE
    Rectorat de l'académie de Poitiers
    Responsable de la cellule des Affaires juridiques
    Tel: 05 49 54 70 25
    Télécopie: 05 49 54 79 50
    Courriel : [email protected]

    Translation Provided By Babel Fish http://babelfish.altavista.com/

    Dear Sir, Following your e-mail of February 22, 2008, I regret to inform you that the school Robert de Sorbon is not a legal private establishment in France. It is not recognized by the ministry for national education. Best greetings

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    *_A l'attention du *=
    Monsieur, Suite à votre e-mail du 22 février 2008, j'ai le regret de vous informer que l'école Robert de Sorbon n'est pas un établissement privé légal en france. Il n'est pas reconnu par le ministère de l'éducation nationale.
    Salutations distinguées

    --
    Jean TAPIE
    Rectorat de l'académie de Poitiers
    Responsable de la cellule des Affaires juridiques
    Tel: 05 49 54 70 25
    Télécopie: 05 49 54 79 50
    Courriel : [email protected]

    http://www.degreeboard.com/forums/The-Abyss-f69/cases-study-of-the-ecole-sup-rieure-robert-t4298/page10.html
     
  4. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    perhaps we should unsuspend the representative of this fine institution (and block his other registrations) to hear what his response is... after all, a little entertainment is never a bad thing :)
     
  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I suspended cdelawhatever not so much because of the multiple registrations (a clear TOS violation) but more because he refused to address the issue of the multiple registrations. If all I wanted was to just ban him from the board I would have simply banned him from the board. What I did was give him two separate opportunities to address the fact that he had multiple registrations. He refused to even acknowledge the situation or my requests.

    Over the past several months we have banned quite a large number of people. Almost 100% of these people were just spammers. I prefer to administer the TOS evenly because this helps people to feel like they will be treated fairly on this site. Having said all that I also would like people to know that I'm all about redemption. Second, third, fourth chances.

    So, I'm going to lift the ban on CDEWHATEVER and give him a chance to redeem himself. THERE'S ONE CONDITION. If, in his FIRST POST he does not address the multiple registration issue then I'm going to just ban him again. And it may be for well more than a month.

    Such larks!
     
  6. raristud

    raristud Member


    I posted this so that sorbon could address this in the future. Sorbon?
     
  7. Breizhou

    Breizhou New Member

    wow ! they're not even registered
     
  8. raristud

    raristud Member

    Update from the French Embassy

    De : ******* [mailto:*************]
    Envoyé : dimanche 19 avril 2009 00:31
    À : [email protected]
    Objet : Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon
    Hello, My name is *******. I am a distance learning advocate, career coach, and graduate student at an American university. I am inquiring as to the status of Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon? Are they authorized to operate in France as a private institution? Thank you for your time and consideration.
    Regards, ******

    ------------------------------------------------------

    Hello,

    This is a very very very private institution with a lot of diplomas whose academic value is better priced in Zimbabwean dollars. I refer you to the serious American survey (here attached) about such wonderful institutions whose diplomas can really reach the level of the diploma of the nicest baby born on February 29 in the Angelical Hospital of the Whatever Believers and True Pleakers in Neverland. They must be fixed on a black wall with a huge fluorescent frame minimum 7 feet by 4 feet! With your entry ticket to Alice in the Wonderland.

    Cordialement. Jean-Marie Lebon
    ---
    Jean-Marie Lebon
    Educationalist
    Studies Office - CampusFrance
    Embassy of France
    4101 Reservoir Road NW
    Washington DC 20007 , USA
    Tel: +1 202 944 6015, fax:+1 202 944 6268
    [email protected]

    --------------------------------------------

    The survey Jean is referring to is a listing of "suppliers" maintained by the Oregon Office of Degree Authorization ( http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.aspx ). Anyone is welcomed to contact this government official to clarify any information posted. Here is the website of the French Ministry of Foreign and European Affairs and Jean's e-mail and contact information is posted above.

    http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/


    A rather funny e-mail coming from the embassy :)
     
  9. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Ouch - the last 2 postings are rather insightful - thanks Raristud.

    Shawn
     
  10. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    I am disappointed that the Sorbon rep has not made a reappearance here to defend his esteemed institution. A little entertainment of this sort is always enjoyable.
     
  11. raristud

    raristud Member


    Do they have a license to operate. Perhaps. In regards to the above quoted, if you contact a government official, professor, or anyone in regards to comments published, of course they are going to deny or say that said comments have been misinterpreted. There are thousands of such examples.

    "Senator denies calling CHP officer a naughty name"

    "The kiosk where the officer was stationed was to Potashner's left. As the
    gate lifted to let the car leave the officer told her superiors that she heard, "You're a c---."

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=3070

    Lets say that Sorbon can award VAE Diplomas through life experience. A suggestion was made that perhaps they should seek qualifications through an awarding body like city and guilds. Maybe that's possible. If they are operating legitimately, then a discussion board is not the way to establish acceptance and credibility. If the Rectorat de l'académie de Poitiers made such comment but denied such comment for protection, then...well... you know where I am going with this.

    One thing may clear sorbon, is a government website that lists sorbon as a VAE provider. Something that sorbon has yet to provide.

    The e-mail from Jean of the embassy of France says something. That sorbon has a perception problem with members of their own government
    and this is something they should address. Perhaps recommending that the ministry of education create a website that lists sorbon and other schools
    as VAE granting entities. The US Department of Education has such listing for regionally accredited schools. ( http://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/ ).

    I don't think we are being harsh as certain members of degreeboard express. If an institution makes certain claims, consumers of information like myself are going to ask many questions and investigate. If something negative is found, then expect a challenge. Sorbon is now posting at degreeboard and avoiding degreeinfo. Why? I hope nothing was said to offend sorbon. However, it could be a sign of weakness.
     
  12. Breizhou

    Breizhou New Member

    I always thought that sorbon was legally registered as a private school. The email from the Legal Department of the académie de Poitiers is really a suprise to me.

    The Académie de Poitiers is the regional representative of the Education nationale in the region Poitou-Charentes. Any school in that region is under some level of authority from this académie. If this email is genuine, then sorbon isn't a school of any type (private or otherwise...). Another possibility is that sorbon was under the authority of the Académie for a while, but lost the privilege...

    I'll personally try to get more info on the author of this e-mail but I don't really see why the boss of the académie's legal department (Responsable de la cellule des Affaires juridiques) would lie.

    As for a list of institutions allowed to award the VAE, the www.cncp.gouv.fr was created for this purpose. Go on "recherche experte" and then type the name of the school next to "Autorité responsable de la certification". You can click on the results and get more information on the content of the program and details about the VAE jury needed to award the degree. Public université degrees are not included in this list. You can try private schools like SUPINFO, HEC, CNAM...

    You can also get more information on the VAE on the following website http://www.vae.gouv.fr/ Unfortunately the interesting information is in French. There is only a small note in english and spanish on the home page.
     
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  13. silvertoday

    silvertoday New Member

    registration of VAE degrees

    I read the english-language description of the VAE on the website listed. If I am not mistaken it appears to state that any VAE degree must be registered with a national organisation in France - therefore it would appear clear that simply IF the VAE degrees issued by Robert De Sorbon are legal, they must be registered as indicate din the procedure - and one woudl think this would be a big selling point if they are.
     
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    All it would have taken was a small statement, "oops, I made a mistake and re-registered. sorry. no offense intended, etc." Anything like that would have been OK. What we got was a great big goose egg. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nunca. Nothingatall. This is a true litmus test. Not only is this guy so low that he'll deliberately try to register under multiple names but when he's caught at it he doesn't even have the cojones to stand up and admit his "mistake." And then he wants you to believe that he's an official representative of a legitimate university. If this 骗子 represents anything then it's clear that everyone should stay away. He's back to being banned.
     
  15. raristud

    raristud Member

    You got that right :)..............
     
  16. raristud

    raristud Member

    The English language version does not have the work "degree" printed anywhere. The phrase "VAE Degree" does not exist in the English language version of the website.( http://www.vae.gouv.fr/_pdf/accueil_version_anglaise.pdf ).

    This quote taken from the English language version states the following:

    "All certifications registered on the National Repertory of Vocational Certifications (in French RNCP: Répertoire National des Certifications Professionnelles) are available through VAE."

    All certifications registered are available through the VAE process. Sorbon has no certifications registered according to my search. My french reading abilities are limited, so perhaps someone ( Breizhou? ) can find a reference to sorbon offering certificates registered through the RNCP.

    http://www.cncp.gouv.fr

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    "I read the english-language description of the VAE on the website listed.If I am not mistaken it appears to state that any VAE degree must be registered with a national organisation in France - therefore it would appear clear that simply IF the VAE degrees issued by Robert De Sorbon are legal, they must be registered as indicate din the procedure."

    - Only in bizarro's world zurich

    "Bizarro and the Bizarro World have become somewhat well known in popular culture, and the term Bizarro is used as to describe anything that uses twisted logic or that is the opposite of something else.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro
     
  17. Greg Sharrigone

    Greg Sharrigone New Member

    Glad to inform the école supérieure Robert de Sorbon® "haters", that French Public Universities start now to offer diplômes de "BACHELOR". De Sorbon® started its "Diplôme de Bachelor" program "only" 17 years ago! We were insulted to offer Bachelor's degree that according to the so called "specialists" (included a Frenchman) will never be French.

    French Universities starts also to offer VAE program (degrees through Work/Life Experience) using English. Again de Sorbon® started it in 2004...

    De Sorbon®, a French private University , is definitively a followed innovator in International education. Is not it?

    [​IMG]
     
  18. datby98

    datby98 Active Member

    Wow, I did not expect a "revenge" on a BBS. Let me find my beer...
     
  19. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    You raised a 10 year old thread from the dead talking about this school's terrible reputation just to shill for them. If they're paying you, they should get their money back.

    Ils jettent l’argent par les fenêtres.
     
  20. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Actually, that's so true, I just looked at previous posts, it's all about this "shill" of a school. Hmm... I wonder eh?
     

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