Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Kizmet, Feb 10, 2020.

  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

  3. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Mmmm. I guess they all start to look the same after a while.
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The emergence of a short- or non-residency DBA is hardly news. But TESU has a special place in this field, so it feels more significant. There was a time when the school offered just a few bachelor's degrees, so this is a far leap from that.

    When I started my Union degree, there were 5 alternatives to earning a short-residency doctorate from an accredited school. Union, Fielding, International Graduate School, Nova Southeastern, and Sarasota.

    IGS was a candidate for accreditation, but closed. Sarasota has been folded into the now-closed Argosy. Walden wasn't accredited yet and Capella didn't exist. Neither did Trinity, Northcentral, or any other RA short-residency schools. (There were a couple of niche exceptions in California, like Saybrook.) And DETC- (now DEAC-)accredited schools did not yet offer the doctorate. Foreign schools did not yet accept students from the US in any significant ways, with the exception of UNISA. (And that option was as confusing then as it is today.)

    Now they're dime-a-dozen. And in the words of 'Classy' Freddie Blassie, I want to know who's passing out all the dimes.
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    I think that's a good summary. And I agree that the TESU program is a big deal. That's why I posted it. I'm not sure how I missed it before. I'm not very interested in Business degrees but I post about them for other's benefit. I have nothing against DBA degree programs. They probably do exactly what they say they do. I imagine that some people are suckered into "needing" these degrees when they really don't but hey, we all get to make these decisions for ourselves and live with the consequences. Maybe degree inflation has progressed to a point where the DBA credential is required to be competitive - I hope not - but I am not aware of a lot of big-time CEOs with doctoral degrees. So what is the payoff for earning a DBA? Is there any data on this?
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Some things are not about data, or ROI, or even money at all.

    I did a degree at Leicester for reasons that had nothing to do with money, salary, etc. I did it because I wanted to learn what was available to learn, create what had not yet been created, and define for myself what I would become in the future.

    Doing a DBA puts you on top of the practice of business. Not in terms of promotions, salary, etc. Instead, on top of how business is practiced, what cutting-edge knowledge is out there, etc. (Yes, there is variability in this--YMMV.)

    The DBA won't replace the MBA until--and if--employers seek it. They currently are not, generally. And that's good. It isn't an entry-level credential. It is the opposite.
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    I can see what you're saying but it's not what others say when asked about why they're seeking the degree. I'm all about pursuing whatever course people want to pursue. I think that maybe the most important form of ROI is intangible. But most people say they want to teach. That might not be a reasonable expectation. Maybe with a DBA it wouldn't be too hard to get a part-time adjunct gig. But is that what they really want? It doesn't sound like such a good gig to me. Of course, it's not my thing so I'm not the best one to judge.
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Which is why, in my humble judgment, almost no one on this board has talked about it then gone on to actually do it. They do the ROI, they see the mountain of work, they see that even if they do that work they might not get the degree, they don't see the higher purpose, and they bail.

    I've just suggested an archetype. Individuals are quite varied around that theme. I've climbed that mountain twice. If it was simply about ROI, especially as it looked before doing it, I wouldn't have done it either time.

    I'm just one guy; others have other stories to tell. But I would listen to people who've actually done it DI-style--mid-career, balancing life/work/school/finances. It would be interesting to hear their stories.
  10. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    The program seems to more expensive than Liberty University's.

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