Tea leaves?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Aug 24, 2020.

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Where's the healthcare plan? New fair immigration reform; where's my "merit-based" system he promised? How many factories returned to American soil? Why the amateur league that is Canadian government has COVID mortality rate so much lower than America? Why would the doofus not wear a mask? Where's his response to Russian bounties? What is American foreign policy response to Hong Cong, Belarus, Navalny poisoning? What does Bill Barr think about Breonna Taylor murder? Where's the infrastructure plan the orange man promised for years? What's done to protect the elections from foreign influence?

    Russian influence was both real and likely decided the election. WikiLeaks emails dropped the evening of the "grab her..." video resurfacing.


    Don't need to attack the woman candidate (their jurisprudence is fair play, though). It's enough to point out Moscow Mitch's hypocrisy, and the fact that they 1) openly hoping to install a friendly Court in time to steal the election and 2) are actively trying to overturn the ACA, including pre-existing conditions mandate. In time of the pandemic.

    You and I are not rich enough to count as real people to the GOP Randian mainstream, let alone the psychopath in the White House.

    PS: Top Democrats, without fail, mention ObamaCare and pre-existing conditions every time they discuss the Supreme Court power grab. Good. It is precisely the issue that gave us 2018 Blue Wave. Go Biden/Harris!
     
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Literally, you did, in the CEU thread, when you said the state "must do something" about all the leftist BOOKS the professors wrote.
    Clintons never even discussed going after the "vast right-wing conspiracy" when they were in power.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    He's not "trolling", and especially since the U.S. meddles worldwide it's not unreasonable for those in other countries to have an opinion about U.S. politics.
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    He probably meant me. To him, all Canadians look the same :)
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I would agree that's a serious difference both of extent and of kind, but it's still "whataboutism". You accused Lerner of wearing a tinfoil hat simply for asking "Didn't Dem's try to reverse the 2016 elections results?", when, in fact, they did.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    A handsome people, to be sure! :D
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Let me dumb it down for you: We're neighbours - in case you never learned geography. What goes on there is naturally of interest to us. Your country has a lot of money invested in Canada, trade agreements etc. and wields great influence outside its borders. What goes on there affects us here. And we're entitled to comment on it - including comments about what I/we don't like.

    At least twice lately, when I've tried to talk to some Americans, instead of their First Amendment rights, I get handed something like the 19th - Prohibition.

    No, I won't shut up.
     
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Fun fact: China is the number one trading partner of the U.S. in terms of volume, as one might expect from how often that relationship is in the news. But Canada is number two, and in terms of volume is right behind China despite having something like 3% of China's population.

    But I'm happy to criticize Justin Trudeau (some more) if it ensures that this particular forum doesn't have its own trade imbalance. ;)
     
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  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Read it this morning, Mac. A fun read. I get the impression that Mr. Frankfurter had a lot of fun writing it. A good bullshitter can always recognize another. I have to say -- he's one of the best. (I should know.) :)
     
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  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    All Canadians AREN'T the same. Some drink Molson. Some drink LaBlatts. I'm sure there are other differences if you look close enough...;)
     
  11. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Maybe because it isn't just about domestic politics. It's about politics in a world closely connected to each other.
    And for this reason, I will be affected by this vote, no matter about the outcome, too - even if I am not an US citizen.

    Heck, most people on this globe will be affected in one the other way.
     
  12. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    To add to the fire and brimstone state of politics, there has been an exceptionally high level of flip flopping on the issue of whether or not a President should appoint a Supreme Court Justice in the last year of one's term.

    Not that we don't already know how insincere our elected officials tend to be, it's just that all the video compilations of the same people saying that they believe the exact opposite today that they did 4 years ago makes for an eye-rolling good time.
     
  13. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    His remark about Goebbels was... what... exactly?

    It pretty clearly wasn't meant to be taken literally, so presumably it was just an expression of hatred meant to generate a similar emotional response in those he was targeting. And yes, I'm sorry to say that he succeeded with me. I'm angry.

    But isn't that the definition of trolling?

    It in that respect it's ironic that Trump is the first US President in living memory to say that he's the president of the United States, not the world. His first priority is what's in the interest of the United States and its people, as opposed to straightening out the whole planet and remaking it in our image (whether they want to be remade or not).

    Obviously foreigners can and do have opinions on US politics. And they are welcome to express those opinions. (I can't stop them.) I have lots of opinions about Canada and the EU too.

    But I do wish that they would say something intelligent about the issues at hand, rather than just hurling idiotic insults at Americans whose politics they don't like. That just drives threads off topic and muddies the emotional waters.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And you'd be justified. And I wouldn't call you a troll.
    And I'd also like to say, Stanislav was right on two counts. Our Government is (largely) an amateur show - albeit a humane and fairly beneficent one at heart. How they managed to get things as right as possible on COVID-19 I have no idea - but they DID and I'm grateful for it. It's extremely sad that the disease first took a "lightning raid" on nursing homes - but that's been a field that has lacked close-enough scrutiny in many areas for a long time. I hope that will change drastically as a result.

    Our climate makes us skilled at "slogging" and that's what we do. We get through...
     
  15. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    They cheer for different hockey teams.
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Wasn't a remark about Goebbels. It was a quote from that monster -- now, this is a remark.

    My post was largely a remark about repeating a lie so often it gets accepted as truth - supported by a quote from an acknowledged expert in the evil art of mass deception.

    Stay angry.
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I took it less as a general expression of hatred, and more as a comparison of Trump's ceaseless mendacity with that of, well, you know who. But okay, I guess I can see why someone who wants to believe what Trump says would call Godwin's Law on it.
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I don't drink beer (or any alcohol*) don't eat back bacon (or any pork*) and I hate hockey. But I like it here... I'd better shut up before I get deported! :)

    * No religious reasons involved
     
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  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I was in Vancouver for a conference a few years ago, and my AirBnB host was a super chill guy who invited me to hang out with him and drink beer and watch hockey. It was the Pittsburgh Penguins vs. the Ottawa Senators. Because I'm from the D.C. area, which precludes ever cheering for Pennsylvania sports teams, I was for Ottawa. Because he said they played better hockey, he was for Pittsburgh. It was a fine example of North American unity.
     
  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I think the DEPORTABLE offense isn't not drinking beer...I think it's drinking AMERICAN beer. So you should be okay.
     
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