Tea leaves?

President Trump didn't collude with Russia. Yet the left propaganda sold this as if this was a fact and conditioned people's minds to this judgment, verdict for years.
Yes, their report found a few things that are serious, but not about Trump Colluding with Russians.


FISA warrant was contaminated with the bogus dossier. It's like a glass of milk has a one drop or ten drops of gasoline, it's contaminated and should be thrown away.
Now the left disinformation media as creating another hysteria after another hysteria.
That my opinion from observing. Based on all the propoganda on the left media that profittted Democrats in Congress elections in my opinion.
There are thindreds if not thousands of recorded news, and comentaries on CNN, MSNBC etc. They all prove stron bias on these metters.

Now here is something interersting

Bob Johnson is the chairman and the founder of BET, Black Entertainment Television.
He was on CNBC yesterday, Squawk Box. The cohost was Becky Quick. And she said, “What did you take away from the debate the other night?”

JOHNSON: I will take the devil I know over the devil I don’t know anytime of the week.

QUICK: So you’re endorsing Trump?

JOHNSON: I’m not endorsing anybody. (laughing) What I’m saying is, the more you know about who will be pulling the levers of economic growth, economic development, taxes, stimulus, regulation, in my opinion, you’re better off dealing with somebody you know. I absolutely do not know what Vice President Biden will do. I haven’t heard anything coherent out of what he said he will do.

 

Well, Roe v. Wade - I think it a murder.
Millions of unborn babies are murdered, by woman's choice. 30 million murders?
I hope someday the Roe v. Wade is overturned. I don't think a woman can choose to murder a fetus.
There are some complicated situations and I not always know what to do in these situations when a woman's life is in danger etc.

 

The over 20,000 false and misleading claims is not an exaggeration. The President's bogus statements just keep adding up. Trump has been averaging about 23 such statements a day over the past year or so, IIRC. I linked an article earlier that explains how far back the average of 23 statements a day goes. As an example, let's look at the debate. Here's a BBC article that covers just the major statements being fact checked. https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54350219 I counted about a dozen such statements pointed out by the BBC. Here's a more complete list of false or misleading statements. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/01/fact-checking-first-trump-biden-presidential-debate-part-2/ Easily putting Tuesday well over the 23 per day average for Tuesday.

Your statements about CNN and MSNBC are unsupported assertions, just more parroting of Trump talk. The difference is I have provided links to respected news media supporting the over 20,000 false and misleading statements. If you recall back in 2016 multiple Republican candidates stated the obvious that Trump is a pathological liar.

If the Proud Boys are not white supremist group then that is great for them. That doesn't really change the fact though that Trump side stepped denouncing white supremist at the debate and hasn't cleared up the ambiguity even a day later.

Here's how the President has warped your reality, for example. You reference the FISA warrant as somehow proving some big nefarious conspiracy to get Trump. All it really was one FISA warrant being renewed improperly perhaps dishonestly. Your statements about this poisoning the well for the whole investigation is a noble attempt to try to make sense out of your cult leaders false assertions. There is a legal rule that evidence produced illegally can't be used but that is not even what anyone has even claimed in this case. The Carter Page warrant didn't produce any evidence. Regarding your assertions that the Mueller report exonerated Trump of collusion with Russia, that is simply false. What it did is that it concluded that a crime by the 2016 Trump campaign could not be proven. It also pointed to multiple cases of likely obstruction of justice by Donald Trump during their investigation.

Another big Trump supporter I was discussing this issue with on another website, finally read the Mueller report. After reading the report he finally agreed that Donald Trump had apparently committed obstruction of justice. He then went on to bad mouth the obstruction of justice law.

P.S. I don't know what you're referring to in a quote of The Hill??

 

Bill,
I think some are but many are not.
What if many of them are not white supremacists but maybe a rights group? Just thinking aloud. If they are discriminated against and they are white what then? Are they immediately labeled as racists or supremacists? When they are not seeking supremacy of the race but don't want to be discriminated against based on them simply being white?
Do Latinos have their groups? Does Black have their groups?
I'm for equality, I understand helping the weak layers (race, color equal).

Just like Feminists have their group, and when man started being discriminated against it gave birth to man rights groups.

Examples:
Aug 14, 2020 · A Justice Department investigation has found Yale University is illegally discriminating against Asian American and White applicants, in violation of federal civil rights.

The case has a history that goes back to 1996. Until then, the University of Texas at Austin–the campus all the cool Texans want to attend–was merrily discriminating against white people as much as it pleased. It got a shock when the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Hopwood v. Texas that racial discrimination had to stop.

While the level of discrimination is higher to the blacks, the level of discrimination of whites appears increasing as demographics are changing.
Yes, experiments sich as sociologist Devah Pager showed higher discrimination against the blacks it also showed discrimination against whites exists as well even do employers and landlords discriminated against blacks and in favor of whites, by a large margin.

Survey of millennial's:
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/11/08/white-millennials-attitudes-discrimination-people-color/

To me CNN and MSNBC are left operatives is not something that began with Trump.
It goes way back. MSNBC when I tun on this channel is always in Trump attack mode.
It had one story that I thought was interesting and you mentioned it in one of your posts.
Even do it was part of the attack on the President, it was something that I would describe as criticism.

 

Bill,
There are two main issues that were investigated by all Dem's Mueller team.
1. Russian Collusion
2. Obstruction of Justice.

I was talking about false accusations and a multi-year campaign against President Trump on the Russian Collusion issue.

As to false accusations about white supremacy against president Trump.
You can thank the media, who distorts and under reports when he denounced KKK, and many other racists organizations. More then any other president.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/14/543477490/racism-is-evil-trump-denounces-the-kkk-neo-nazis-and-white-supremacists

 

This might upset the tea-cart, leaves and all. Just heard on BBC - Donald Trump has tested positive for COVID-19.

 

Indeed, bad news. At 74, obese the dangerous virus could lead to complications. From initial reports, President Trump and the first lady have no symptoms.
The reactions of people to the news are shock, sympathy, glee, outrage, and curiosity.

Wishing President Trump not to get any complications but be one of these who may get community (herd) immunity and be clean of the dangerous virus in a few weeks.

My cousin is a registered nurse, aged 64, tested positive to COVID 19 virus after an MD of the department had symptoms and was tested positive.
Everybody else tested negative but him.
He was asymptomatic stayed in quarantine and the 3 children with their spouses, wife, grandchildren, etc. After 2 weeks, he was tested negative,
The hospital demanded he continues with self-quarantine and tested a week later, still was negative.
Now he is back at work.

 

Thank you, Steve.

Bill,

I was critical of these left driveby media operations, way before I knew who Pr Obama was. So no I'm not parroting President Trump, but he is confirming my opinion.
It got worse in my opinion since 2016 that's for sure.

And now unfortunately we are getting reports of President Trump and the first lady having symptoms.
Really bad news.

 

According the the Mueller report, his campaign did collude. They didn't use that term because it is not a legal term. But it was certainly collusion.

This is false. The precipitating event for the investigation was not Steele's memos (the "dossier"). It was the actions of a Trump campaign operative.

Even if true--and it is demonstrably false--your analogy isn't apt. The events still occurred. Whether or not they can be prosecuted, they did happen. Why are you defending them?

Another baseless assertion. What propaganda?

Okay, one guy's opinion. So?

Seriously, this is silly. You're just trolling.

 

Regarding CNN/MSNBC of course it is agreed that they are left leaning. I interpreted Lerners statements that facts presented could not be trusted. Especially straight up facts that were being discussed. Note that the live talk shows (on all networks) are much less trustworthy than the printed articles. The printed articles seem to go through much better editorial checks. Anyway, straight up facts that Lerner seemed to be presenting are flat out incorrect. Rich in the above post makes that exact same corrections that I have been trying to make.

The only clarification I'd add to Rich's post is that my interpretation of Lerner's analogy about the poisoning the well water was a reference to the legal rule that when evidence is illegally obtained by investigators then all evidence obtained from that and evidence that was even reached because of that cannot be used by the prosecution in court. If that isn't what Lerner meant then the well water statement makes little practical sense to me.

 

...or to me, either. And I've seen enough TV lawyers to know that doctrine is referred to in the US as "fruit of the poisonous tree." And yes - it happened, as Rich says. We, private individuals, don't develop amnesia just because it can't be a basis for prosecution.

 

Gallup: Trump Approval Highest Since May, Majority Think Trump Will Win.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

“A majority believe that Trump is gonna win, 56 to 40%.” This is among people Gallup has polled.

This poll began in 1996. This is a little under 30 years, yet it has never been wrong.
“Looking back, Gallup has asked Americans for their predictions in the late summer or fall of every election, ’96 through 2012.
People are predicting that Trump is going to win and win the popular vote.

 

There was no evidence that President Trump colluded with Russians.
Special counsel Robert Mueller found no proof that President Donald Trump criminally colluded with Russia.

The Washington Times - Tuesday, August 18, 2020
While members of President Trump’s 2016 campaign were in frequent contact with individuals linked to the Russian government, raising counterintelligence concerns at the time, but there is no evidence of colluding a bipartisan report released Tuesday.

The fifth and final volume of the Senate panel’s report on Russian meddling in the 2016 election largely mirrored the conclusions of special counsel Rober Mueller's probe, which also failed to show a Trump- conspiracy.
Mr. Mueller, who wrapped up his investigation last year, confirmed that Russia interfered in the 2016 election but did so without coordination from the Trump campaign.

 

As Rich said, Mueller report clearly stated that there was collusion. Specifically:
1) Russia was actively meddling to benefit Trump campaign
2) Trump campaign knew it and welcomed the help.

Now, Mueller opined that there is no evidence of the kind of coordination between Trumpworls and FSB/GRU that would land someone in jail. In part because Roger Stone refused to talk (and was convicted and pardoned for that). Even assuming there was no coordination (which is not the same than "Mueller failed to prove it") - OK, so POTUS is not an active Russian spy. All is well then, huh?

You're better than that. You are from that part of the world; you should know that being this close to Kremlin is problematic.
P. S. Guess what I think about the fact you don't seem to be interested in GOP's record on immigration fresher than 2000. You got yours I guess, so all is just peachy...

 

Too funny, man. Too funny.