So we are no longer in Afganistan.

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    As your side loves to engage in whataboutism, let me return one: Remember kids in cages? Yeah, that was some great planning.
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Kids in cages was under Obama and Biden first, the famous pictures are from 2014.
    As to GOP President, Dem's would be preparing articles of impeachment or the 25th.
    As for the rapid withdrawal from Afganistan and heavy bi partisan criticism on the way its being done,
    President Joe Biden said on Wednesday that he will keep troops in Afghanistan until every American is evacuated, even if that means going beyond his August 31 deadline.
    Majority stand by Afganistan withdrawal, which is long time overdue.
    Afghan state that could stand on its own after U.S. departure unfortunately failed.
    Now to avoid intensification of the civil war any transitional government must be inclusive, respecting all sides, and seeing beyond the current presidency.
    The Taliban must protect all state institutions, including the civil service, since many institutions collapsed.
    Taliban must improve its relationship with the international community of donors.
    Taliban ability to control, secure and, most importantly, supply those areas will be tested for the first time because of spreading its control so widely
    and so quickly as they are no longer guerrilla force reliant on what supplies can be offered to it by local communities.

    National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, urges support for the resistance fighters against the Taliban through an op-ed published in the Washington Post newspaper.
     
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It's been twenty years. The current Taliban may not be like the old Taliban.
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Anyway, it's no longer our business and probably shouldn't have been our business twenty years ago.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its our business until last of the US citizens leaved Afghanistan.
    Now that we left Taliban better equipped with US Jets that they will need to learn how to fly and maintain, they need Afghani Army .
    Who knows, if this is a reform Taliban there maybe US embassy with US personnel there in the future.
    Maybe the type of U.S. Embassy in Islamabad–and the Consulates in Peshawar, Lahore, and Karachi?
    Wishful thinking on my part.

    Kamala Harris for silence on Afghan women?
    And
    Trump admin drew down forces with no conflict.


     
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  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is our business to protect U.S. citizens abroad unless they are also Afghan citizens.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    What? "US Jets"? Unless you're talking about a lousy football team, I'm not so sure about this. We left jets behind?
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yeah, because you and your ilk really care what Kamala Harris has to say about anything. Please.
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I linked to Snopes rather than to some rightwing site specifically to anticipate that objection.
     
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    So Snope's article proves that Dems have no right to criticize GOP/Trump on border policies? Right?
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You mean Dem's don't care - its your ilk also who are asking questions.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    While Obama originally built the cages, the Obama administration housed unaccompanied minors there. The Trump administration started a specific policy to separate kids from their parents and put them in the cages. There are still over 300 children that Trump separated from their parents that have not yet been reunited with their families. This was a very cruel policy and I assume what Rich was really referring too.
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Bump.

    Jets?
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I live within the so-called Border Zone and I don't know what to do either. Trump and Biden both get my sympathy. Well, I DO know what we should do but it's a political impossibility. Being as I am on Social Security I would greet these young families with green card applications.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    From what I read:

    "Black Hawk helicopters and A-29 Super Tucano attack aircraft are among the items seized by the Taliban.
    Photos have also circulated of Taliban fighters clutching U.S.-made M4 carbines and M16 rifles instead of their iconic AK-47s.
    And the militants have been spotted with U.S. Humvees and mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles.

    Earlier this week, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan acknowledged that a "fair amount" of equipment was already in the Taliban’s hands.
    He added U.S. officials "don't have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport."

    The United States spent an estimated $83 billion training and equipping Afghan security forces over the last two decades.

    Between 2003 and 2016, the United States transferred 75,898 vehicles, 599,690 weapons, 162,643 pieces of communications equipment, 208 aircraft, and 16,191 pieces of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance equipment to Afghan forces, according to a 2017 Government Accountability Office report.

    As of June 30, Afghan forces had 211 U.S.-supplied aircraft in their inventory, a separate SIGAR report said.
    At least 46 of those aircraft are now in Uzbekistan after more than 500 Afghan troops used them to flee as the government in Kabul collapsed over the weekend."
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Not jets.
    Not jets.
    Not jets.
    Not jets.
    Not jets.
    Not jets.
    Not jets.
    Not jets.
    Not jets.
    Not jets.

    Seriously. Not jets.

    The aircraft left behind are low-tech, are not jets, and are of no interest to any adversary. Additionally, there is almost no way the Taliban could ever operate those, much less more-sophisticated jet aircraft. They don't have pilots, mechanics, support personnel, support facilities, repairmen, repair facilities, or anything else you might find in an air force.

    About all the Taliban could do with the aircraft left behind is sit in them, posing for pictures. You know, like you do on a burro in Tijuana wearing a big ol' sombrero.

    It's really hard to take these arguments seriously.
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Not at all. But it does demonstrate that this would be a better country if rank and file Democrats were willing to hold their politicians to account, rather than just cheer when they have the ball and boo whenever Republicans have the ball.

    (I'd say the same of Republicans, but they're a lost cause. You all aren't.)
     
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