Sign petition to DOJ

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by JWC, Jul 14, 2013.

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  1. JWC

    JWC New Member

  2. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    No thanks, I find this one much more deserving and worthwhile: Home
     
  3. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator Staff Member

    How about I don't waste my time with either of those?
     
  4. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    Probably the responsible choice... :)
     
  5. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

  6. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I do not support the case because the justice was fair trial. One party is Hispanic, the other is African-American; and I am Asian-American. I do not see any racial issue in this case. George Zimmerman was not initially arrested by law enforcement; but he was arrested because of civil liberty. People wanted him to be prosecuted; and the authority went extra step to bring him to court for justice. Both defendant and prosecution had the chances to prove in front of the jury whether he is innocent or guilty.

    So, if you ask me what case should I consider racial profile and hate crime? Well, this one is... Murder of James Craig Anderson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and so this one; Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  7. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

  8. major56

    major56 Active Member

    Certainly Zimmerman, in that (contempt of Congress) Holder is such a non-partisan, would at this juncture receive an impartial investigation from Holder’s DOJ (FBI)…:ponder:
     
  9. silvertoday

    silvertoday New Member

    Why should someone sign petition, on what basis ?

    1. Jurors heard the evidence and made a decision not only against second degree murder but also manslaughter. Is there a firm legal basis for the government to spend even more money going after this individual ? I would be interested in someone with a legal background advising whether the government should pursue such a case, and in the current DOJ whether it would be an unbiased pursuit of justice ? I do not know enough to make that judgement, and doubt many signing such a petition would be doing so from a calm reasoned analysis. But I could be wrong, just wish to know more.

    2. As far as racism is concerned we have had several decades of rules and regulations, laws and political correctness. If racism is as many people portray it to be, then perhaps we need a new approach to solve the issue. And that goes for all the people who are in prison, we have an incredible amount of people in prison,and those who get out and eventually go back in ( certainly having a record doesnt help getting even a menial job). Something not working.Regardless of the merits of why they were put in prison, fact is minorities do have a higher percentage of their population in prison. Perhaps someone studying sociology or criminal justice could advise why after decades of these policies and the war on drugs, we still end up with such a high prison population but the same problems on the streets.

    I do not know enough to judge whether there shoudl have been a conviction or not. But basing legal action against a person who has been declared innocent doesnt sit right.
     
  10. ahardinjr

    ahardinjr New Member

    Agreed! Not to mention that the Federal Government is in the middle of a major budget sequestration. Why in the world would I promote spending more tax payer money to support a Federal Civil Rights case into a man who was deemed not guilty of murder by a jury of his peers in a criminal court case and already investigated by the FBI whom found no racial motivation for the shooting?

    "The federal civil rights law makes it clear that there has to be hate prejudice, there has to be race animus. The FBI's already investigated, said that there wasn't,"

    "The Department of Justice launched an investigation last March to investigate whether Martin’s shooting amounted to a federal hate crime—that is, if Zimmerman followed and killed Martin because he was black. In July 2012, the FBI released a statement saying that investigators had found no evidence that Zimmerman was motivated by racism."
     
  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Is it possible for you to express your opinion without being insulting? You discredit your own position by using such language. You make yourself seem less intelligent when you stoop to that low.

    For the record, I believe that a civil rights action would be a waste of time and money.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Agreed, on both points. If you're expressing an opinion, then like it or not you are also acting as an ambassador for that opinion.
     
  13. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    From time to time I can make a comment without insulting anyone...when they don't say anything stupid. I've never - ever - ever maintained that I was intelligent. I think I bring a bit of colorfulness to a pretty staid board. I could just talk in circles and insult people with preppy language and obfuscation like some posters on here, but as a Marine I'm more up front. Tip of the spear and all that.
     
  14. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    The law determines whether George Zimmerman guilty or innocent, not people's emotional feelings. Whoever sign the petition to DOJ is just another unhappy with the verdict. Simply the anti-verdict wants George Zimmerman guilty regardless of what.

    At the beginning, I supported bringing George Zimmerman to court for justice on both sides. Now, the jurors had spoken that George Zimmerman is not guilty. This is what I see in this case that the law and ethic do not come along together. By law George Zimmerman is not guilty, but by ethics he killed a person...just in self-defense.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I agree that trying to pursue a civil rights violation against GZ would be a waste of time. The only evidence I know of that this could possibly be racially motivated is the admission by GZ that he recognized that Trayvon was probably black and the fact that he killed Trayvon. Those facts fall woefully short in proving any civil rights violation.

    I disagree that having the trial was a travisty of justice. As a general statement when someone kills an unarmed individual that is apparently not in the act of committing a felony and the only witnesses to whole encounter are either dead or are the killer then I think a trial shouldn't be considered a ridiculous precaution. This would seem to be even a more reasonable precaution when the dead individual is not an adult and the killer is an adult.
     
  16. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    I agree there must be a process whereby we insure that such events are justly handled...that would be the police investigation (who found no evidence upon which to base an arrest) and the State Prosecuter with jurisdiction over the matter who in this case is the Seminole County Prosecutor (who declined to file charges or bring the case to a grand jury). The PERSECUTION of George Zimmerman was in and of itself unjust and unlawful because the policies and relevant state law which has been developed over hundreds of years was circumvented in bringing him to trial. Happened once in Salem Mass. too.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It's an interesting assertion that no one has ever been brought to trial when the police investigation concludes that no charges should be brought. Is there any real information or statistics that supports this assertion?
     
  18. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    I didn't say never...indeed had there been an allegation of wrongdoing, incompetence, nepotism, or racism the move by Governor Scott to shop for a prosecutor would be within the spirit of the law. None of that exists here.

    This case didn't go to trial until rabble such as Jackson and Sharpton stirred up the masses, Obama said if he had a son he would look like Trayvon (then indicate that something must be done), and Rick Scott...bowing to political pressure went out and found a Prosecutor some 125 miles away to try the case.

    my issue lies neither with Martin or Zimmerman...they both did stupid things that resulted in a death. But the system failed every one of us. When do we suspend due process and standards of justice? When one person feels offended? A dozen? Hundreds?
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    A polititician bowing to political pressure is not something sinister, evil, unusual, or surprising, at least not in my opinion. I don't even consider it a failure in the system, it is probably better described as how the system typically works?
     
  20. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    You have a point here I can appreciate, at least in the spirit of politicians being accountable to their constituents...but in this case they monkied with the judicial system, bent it to their will to unfairly persecute someone...it's not right.
     

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