SCUPS Seeks National Accreditation

Well... fortunately for Dennis, the State of California doesn't agree with that assessment, what with statutes, inspections, certifications, approval, etc. ...you know, due process and all...

 

I received a blue mailer from SCUPS dated 7/25/03.

An Update From The President.

It stated that The Board of Directors of SCUPS has decided to initiate the process of seeking national accreditation.

I checked and it doesn't name DETC accreditation anywhere on the mailer.

It is signed by Richard C. Gray Ph.D.

I'll try to answer any other questions from the forum that I can about the mailer. I was surprised to get it in the mail, but I wanted to pass on the information to anyone interested.

Thank you.

Mike

 

I believe I've read where DETC is looking to work with partners/member schools to better understand the doctoral degree granting process in order to expand their charter to accrediting academic doctorates. I see this as a major motivator for schools like CCU and SCUPS to suspend their doctoral programs temporarily.

 

Rich: "What complicates the CCU situation is that the doctorates will be dropped--they won't be included in CCU's accreditation at all. "


Cehi: I need your help for further clarity. Just my curiousity, Rich, what, then, is the implication for the CCU doctorate holders if the doctorate is not included in the prospective CCU DETC Accreditation? Is it then alright for the CCU doctorate holders to say that their doctorate is from an accreddited school, in as much CCU is accredited? Thank you.

 

Well then, assuming that it is DETC accreditation that is being developed (and they're just not allowed to say this explicitly), what happens to their doctoral degree programs? Do they get dropped or do they remain unaccredited while the other (BA/MA) programs receive accreditation (a la UNISA)? Just curious.
Jack

 

I saw an advertisement for SCUPS "degrees" on the latest "businessweek" magazine. Their PHD/DBA offerings are missing similar to CCU's ad (right below SCUPS's ad). I think SCUPS is on the path of NA.

 

I'm not Rich but . . .
In the scenario you've described:
1) The CCU doctoral degree holder CAN say their degree is from an accredited school.
2) They are not lying when they make this statement.
3) They are doing this in such a way as to deliberately create a misunderstanding.
4) Clearly, the statement is phrased in such a way as to lead the other person to believe that the degree is accredited. Additional information such as, "The school is accredited but the doctoral program is not accredited. is deliberately withheld in order to create the false impression.
5) CAN someone do this? Of course. SHOULD they do it? You decide.
Jack

 

DETC accredits schools, not programs.

 

Jack Tracey,

Thank you for your excellent comments.

 

I can't really take a stand on this--but others might. It is a difficult one. On the one hand, doctorates earned from CCU were earned in a model that isn't/wasn't/ain't gonna be accredited. It's not the same as earning a degree from, say Walden, prior to its accreditation because Walden was subsequently accredited with its doctoral programs intact.

On the other hand, one would have a degree from a school accredited by a recognized accreditor.

I guess telling people the technical truth--"I have a doctorate from CCU, and CCU is accredited"--leaves a false impression while being technically accurate.

Complicating matters would be if DETC began accrediting schools offering the doctorate, and CCU began offering them again. Complicating matters still would be if CCU had to make substantive changes to said doctoral programs--those earning the degree prior to CCU's accreditation (which, I'll remind everyone, is far from assured) would have completed a very different program. But on the other, other, hand, it could be argued that graduates of, say, Union in its pre-accredited days did a program that, in many ways, doesn't resemble the one today.

One way to resolve this: if one wants a doctorate from an accredited school, one should attend an accredited school that offers the doctorate. That is not--and will not be--California Coast University. Everything else involving this sitaution is a muddled dodge.

 

To echo John Bear's previous take on this question: DETC doesn't accredited progams. It accredits schools. It would appear that it ignores that there are doctoral programs at a few schools it accredits, including UNISA.

 

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When CCU gains accreditation and they will your MBA -- if awarded after DETC awards CCU accreditation -- will have been earned from an accreditated institution. All CCU doctoral students at this point should delay completing said degree until DETC gains USDOE approval to accredit at the doctoral level and then one would have a DETC accredited doctorate degree. Knowing of course that CCU will be one of the first to gain DETC approval for doctoral degrees.

BTW, Gus has no college degrees and he certainly won't disclose who he is, so why validate his/her comments?

 

It is my understanding that DETC can not accredit any U.S. institution which offers doctoral degrees.

 

Trust me, I am not going to complete the MBA portion until it is accredited (or the unlikely alternative) and I am in no rush to complete the DBA part until DETC accredits doctorates (or is denied the right to do so)

Something is cooking at DETC according to that well known rumour monger, Dr. Bear. Are the applications for accreditation by 2 of the biggest California approved awarders of doctorates merely coincidences? Maybe not.

 

The school CCU is in the process of becoming accredited. If it becomes accredited next year, and I believe it will be successful, the school will have been shown to be a quality one. The doctorates being done now are from a school that is in the accreditation process. When/if CCU is accredited, those people receiving their doctorates after the date of accreditation will have received the degrees from an accredited school. The degree itself may not be accredited but the school would be and is a sign of quality. There is no more reason for a graduate to explain the particular degree than would be the case, in the same situation, for a RA degree. I'm sure holders of RA degrees don't explain their degrees in the same case and their is no reason to apply different standards to CCU. The degree will be from an accredited school and that is a truthful statement. Just in case we forget, no one wants distance learning stamped on their DL degrees, and how many of us go out of the way to tell everyone looking at them that they are? If you tell the truth, you've done enough, no need to guild the lily.

 

Actually, I would call it a "lie of omission."

 

I disagree with premise number two. There are lies by commission and lies by omission. Either way you are intentionally misleading someone, which is the whole idea behind telling a lie in the first place.

 

Yet, it does.

 

I am not sure who would ever directly ask me about a degree.

Is there anyone working in sales who promotes the negative qualities of a product? Is every sales person dishonest?

Lie of omission? What are you guys talking about?

Does Levicoff write

TESC BA 1932 (92 credits received by means other than taking courses or writing exams)

Does Rich Douglas write

Union PhD 2003 (accredited, but poorly respected by academics)

 

First, Gus Sainz is my real name, and I've never posted on any this or any other forum using a pseudonym. Second, you have just made an authoritatative statement concerning my credentials. How do propose proving your assertion? Don't you think it would have been a lot smarter to preface your comments with something akin to, "I believe?" Is this what they are teaching you at ACCS? I doubt it.