SCUPS Seeks National Accreditation

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by c.novick, Aug 12, 2003.

  1. c.novick

    c.novick New Member

    I just read that SCUPS has initiated the process of seeking national accreditation.

    I thought that was interesting news.
  2. manjuap

    manjuap New Member

    Good move. I think they have learnt good lessons from NCU.

    Will NCU accept SCUPS masters for admission to their Doctoral degrees after NA?
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  3. c.novick

    c.novick New Member

    I read another interesting point of information.

    If non-doctoral students graduate prior the the University receiving accredited status, their degrees will not be accredited.

    That would effect CCU students as well.
  4. manjuap

    manjuap New Member

    Can you send us the link where you read about this?
  5. c.novick

    c.novick New Member

    I actually received this information in a letter from SCUPS.

    It had a contact:

    [email protected] - Lorrie Weiland, Director of Admissions

    I had looked at SCUPS before I learned about accreditation here.

    I must still be on their mailing list.

  6. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Last chance for doctorate??
  7. manjuap

    manjuap New Member

    For the same cost you can get a RA equivalent PHD/DBA from Australian/S.African Universities which would give you more milage.
  8. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    But you got to love a non-dissertation DBA. I do.
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Otherwise known as the Un-Doctor of Business Administration (UDBA).

    Calling it a doctorate doesn't make it one.
  10. Kirkland

    Kirkland New Member

    No dissertation but you won't get out of doing your research that easily... I think you'll find the Final Project AKA "Comprehensive Exam" to be sufficiently challenging... (you can't have your pudding until you eat your meat):)
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  11. kf5k

    kf5k member

    And you saying that it isn't a doctorate doesn't make it so. Is it in your job description to rain on every parade you can find? Sometimes, if you can only find something negative to say, you might consider not saying it.
  12. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Yes it does.

    I understand all potential criticism of a CCU DBA and came to the conclusion that I can handle one unaccredited degree.

    To make certain individuals here happy, in 2 or 3 years when I graduate, if someone asks me if CCU is accredited, my only answer, without explanation, will be yes. (assuming they are successful at accreditation)
  13. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Hey, why not? If the word accredited is open to interpretation (as you have claimed) why not the word doctorate? :rolleyes:

    I thought you were enrolled in the MBA/DBA program. If so, that would make it two unaccredited degrees, right? (Last I looked CCU hadn’t been granted any accreditation). :rolleyes:

    Of course it will be. But why let a simple matter such as CCU being granted accreditation influence your decision? If you are willing to state that your doctorate is accredited when it isn’t, CCU’s accreditation status really doesn’t make any difference, does it? :rolleyes:

    You know what I love about all this goading? It’s that your words will be here for the entire world to see. More than likely, as we have seen so many times in the past, they’ll come back to bite you in the ass. Most people who plan to do something unethical have the tiny, (very tiny) amount of smarts to keep their intentions to themselves. :rolleyes:
  14. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    Originally posted by Gus Sainz
    Like claim they have an RA degree, and not tell what it is. You certainly have perfected that.
  15. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    1) A legal degree offered by a school that will be accredited at the time????

    2) I stated the assumption that CCU would receive accreditation - ergo the MBA would be within the scope of DETC accreditation.

    3) Of course I wouldn't state that the doctorate was accredited, just that it was from an accredited school.

    4) Unethical to say that a degree from an accredited school is a degree from an accredited school?

    By the way Gus, what are those degrees that few people believe you actually have??
  16. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    In regards to the SCUPS accreditation issue . . .
    Does the term "national accreditation" in Mike's original posting mean DETC accreditation? If so, isn't there a way to check with DETC to see if they've really made the initial application to get the process started? If it doesn't mean DETC accreditation, what does it mean? Personally, I'd like to see them make the move but I've heard so many stories about admissions reps who will say, "...oh yeah, we're going to be applying for accreditation in January (or July, or whatever seems to be a convenient time span) in order to maintain the inquirers interest. Typically, this is just a line thrown into a conversation and doesn't necessarily indicate any real intention on the part of the school's administration to pursue meaningful accreditation of any sort. In other words, has this claim been validated in any way?
  17. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    SCUPS not on DETC list. I am sure they are letting people who expressed an interest in programs, that are being dropped, that it is their last chance to enroll.

    If their accreditation attemp is DETC they cannot include such information in their literature or website, but I assume that a letter addressed to an interested individual would not be considered literature.

    As Northcentral is regionally accredited, the ownership should have no trouble obtaining national accreditation.

    If SCUPS becomes accredited, it may very well direct students into doctoral programs at Northcentral.
  18. Kirkland

    Kirkland New Member

    ...assuming their bid is successful and the timing works out for you, you should be able to lay claim to an accredited MBA and a State certified doctorate from an accredited university. Not bad. You may even find it far more useful than an obscure RA doctorate in an esoteric field from a school with no football team. :)
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Please point out the properly accredited schools that award the DBA without a dissertation (or equivalent) requirement. It isn't "raining" on anyone's parade, and it is a subject that has been explored on this board before.

    Why make it personal? If you've got something to indicate that my comment is in error, please share it. My support for my statement is that accredited schools don't do this, which means a DBA awarded without a disseratation (or equivalent) requirement isn't a doctorate, even if it is labeled as such. This is a perfectly reasonable conclusion, open to refutation. But your statement implies I directed it at someone, which isn't true.

    Stick to the issues.
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I realize the concern of some about this; that a degree earned from a school before its accreditation is a degree from an unaccredited school. But in practice, this isn't a factor. People who earn degrees from schools that subsequently become accredited seem to have their degrees accepted as if from accredited schools.

    I'm sure graduates of the pre-accredited Walden, Capella, Sarasota, Union, et. al. enjoy the same levels of acceptance as those who graduated after their respective schools' accreditations. I doubt if anyone here would expect them to make it explicit wherever they went that the degrees were earned during their respective schools' pre-accredited period.

    What complicates the CCU situation is that the doctorates will be dropped--they won't be included in CCU's accreditation at all. Also, unlike many pre-accredited schools, CCU has operated without being accredited for more than two decades. That is its legacy, not one of operating at an "accreditable" level while working towards accreditation. But again, in practice, no distinction is normally made between degrees earned before and after accreditation.

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