Scriptures good bad ugly

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Phdtobe, Apr 23, 2019.

  1. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    Two of my favorite :

    Proverbs 3:13

    13Blessed are those who find wisdom, those who gain understanding,

    Proverbs 4:6-7

    Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you; love her, and she will watch over you. Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding.

    Two of the worst :

    2 Kings 2:23–24

    23 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, hecursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.

    Hosea 13:16

    Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
  2. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."

    Unless you say it while having sex.


    By the way, Phdtobe, what translation are you quoting from?

    (Yes, sanantone, I know that I ended that question with a preposition.) :rolleyes:
  3. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I didn't’ pay any attention to the versions. From growing up in a Christian home, I knew what I was looking for - so only a google search.
    Most of the people I grew up with only use KJV. They believed that the kjv is god inspired.

    I think my love of learning was based on the bible. As kids (siblings) every single night we had to prayed for both wisdom and understanding.
  4. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Matthew 23:1-3

    Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

    2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

    3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

    Contemporary English Version

    Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:

    2 The Pharisees and the teachers of the Law are experts in the Law of Moses. 3 So obey everything they teach you, but don’t do as they do. After all, they say one thing and do something else.

    Matthew 19:24

    24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Luke 7:36-47

    36 One of the Pharisees asked him to eat with him, and he went into the Pharisee's house and reclined at table. 37 And behold, a woman of the city, who was a sinner, when she learned that he was reclining at table in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster flask of ointment, 38 and standing behind him at his feet, weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head and kissed his feet and anointed them with the ointment. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what sort of woman this is who is touching him, for she is a sinner.” 40 And Jesus answering said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he answered, “Say it, Teacher.”

    41 “A certain moneylender had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 When they could not pay, he cancelled the debt of both. Now which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, for whom he cancelled the larger debt.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.” 44 Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little.”

    John 8:7

    7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

    Numbers 12:1-10

    1Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. 2“Has the Lord spoken only through Moses?” they asked. “Hasn’t he also spoken through us?” And the Lord heard this.

    3(Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)

    4At once the Lord said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, “Come out to the tent of meeting, all three of you.” So the three of them went out. 5Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward, 6he said, “Listen to my words:

    “When there is a prophet among you,

    I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions,

    I speak to them in dreams.

    7But this is not true of my servant Moses;

    he is faithful in all my house.

    8With him I speak face to face,

    clearly and not in riddles;

    he sees the form of the Lord.

    Why then were you not afraid

    to speak against my servant Moses?”

    9The anger of the Lord burned against them, and he left them.

    10When the cloud lifted from above the tent, Miriam’s skin was leprous a —it became as white as snow. Aaron turned toward her and saw that she had a defiling skin disease,
  5. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Wow . . . an out-of-context cut-and-paste fest. :rolleyes:
  6. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    My guess we should thank Apple for the cut/copy/paste. Many writers think that Jesus could have been influenced by Buddha teaching. Except for Jesus being God, Jesus teaching very much like Buddha - may be coincident.
    Paul could have been influenced by the Stoics. One of Paul’s brothers was a close friend with the Stoics. Paul’s writing is very stoics- maybe a coincident.
    I think context is one of the reasons for so many different denominations.
  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I didn't need to copy and paste any ugly passages because the ugly is already here.
  8. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    Here is a bible story within the correct context. Sodom and Gomorra were destroyed for being unwelcoming to strangers and being xenophobic. So what did the man of God (Lot) did to save face in front of his guests? He offered his two virgin daughters to be gangrape buy the crowd - a coward.

    The bible may not be the best tool to be used as a guide to ethics and morality.

    Genesis 19:4-11:

    Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof." But they said, "Stand aside." Furthermore, they said, "This one came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than them." So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves trying to find the doorway.
  9. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    He knew that the men wouldn't be interested in his daughters.
  10. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    sanantone: "Most of the people I grew up with only use KJV. They believed that the kjv is god inspired"

    John: Hey, Bible scholars: Is it generally accepted that Shakespeare wrote part of the KJV? The evidence I've seen is intriguingly persuasive.

    (I love the line we heard in Scotland: "When you pick up the Holy Bible, the first name you see is that of our King James VI.")
  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    John, that's not my quote. That was Phdtobe.
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Maha-mangala Sutta: Blessings

    Thus have I heard:

    On one occasion the Blessed One was living near Savatthi at Jetavana at Anathapindika's monastery. Now when the night was far advanced, a certain deity, whose surpassing radiance illuminated the whole of Jetavana, approached the Blessed One, respectfully saluted him, and stood beside him. Standing thus, he addressed the Blessed One in verse:

    1. "Many deities and men longing for happiness have pondered on (the question of) blessings. Pray tell me what the highest blessings are.

    2. "Not to associate with the foolish, but to associate with the wise, and to honor those worthy of honor — this is the highest blessing.

    3. "To reside in a suitable locality, to have performed meritorious actions in the past, and to set oneself in the right direction — this is the highest blessing.

    4. "Vast learning, skill in handicrafts, well grounded in discipline, and pleasant speech — this is the highest blessing.

    5. "To support one's father and mother; to cherish one's wife and children, and to be engaged in peaceful occupations — this is the highest blessing.

    6. "Liberality, righteous conduct, rendering assistance to relatives, and performance of blameless deeds — this is the highest blessing.

    7. "To cease and abstain from evil, to abstain from intoxicating drinks, and diligent in performing righteous acts — this is the highest blessing.

    8. "Reverence, humility, contentment, gratitude, and the timely hearing of the Dhamma, the teaching of the Buddha — this is the highest blessing.

    9. "Patience, obedience, meeting the Samanas (holy men), and timely discussions on the Dhamma — this is the highest blessing.

    10. "Self-control, chastity, comprehension of the Noble Truths, and the realization of Nibbana — this is the highest blessing.

    11. "The mind that is not touched by the vicissitudes of life, the mind that is free from sorrow, stainless, and secure — this is the highest blessing.

    12. "Those who have fulfilled the conditions (for such blessings) are victorious everywhere, and attain happiness everywhere — To them these are the highest blessings."

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