Scotland to vote on independence

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Presumably the former, just as she is Queen of many other countries that became independent of the UK:

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_realm

    Although the latter does sound potentially entertaining!
     
  2. Kizmet

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  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I really expect this to be the end of the United Kingdom. I think they had to give up the Empire—people deserve to be free. But Brexit? Please explain why it is a good thing.

    I expect the desire to stay in the EU will tip the scales for Scotland’s independence. I wonder if the same phenomenon will apply to the unification of Ireland?
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, according to the UN, the top seven countries in the world in terms of GDP per capita are European: Liechtenstein is first, Monaco is second, Luxembourg is third, Switzerland is fourth, Norway is fifth, Iceland is sixth, and Ireland is seventh.

    So at least by one reckoning, the first, second, fourth, fifth, and sixth wealthiest countries in the world are European countries that aren't in the EU, which isn't exactly a compelling case for the necessity of EU membership.

    Then again, it not being necessary to join is not the same thing as it being advisable to leave.

    Despite a majority wanting to remain in the EU, even now polls show a majority of Scots would vote no on independence were a referendum held today. Scotland's economy is weaker than the UK's as a whole, so their hesitation is understandable. Either way, Sturgeon certainly has her work cut out for her if she wants to be the founding mother of an independent Scotland.

    But Northern Ireland is different, they'll probably reunify with the Republic of Ireland in the next few decades either way simply because of demographics: Catholics there make more babies than Protestants do. If Dublin starts to look better than London to moderate Protestants in the meantime, perhaps that would hasten the process? I don't know.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Funny, because I think that one is on shakier ground that is Scottish independence. For Scotland, I think they'll have to experience being outside the EU to see how it goes. It might be better for them, but if it's worse, the pressure will build for independence and a return to the EU.

    But I'm old enough to remember the IRA vs. the UK in a hot war that lasted for decades. But I'm too foreign to know whether the two sides are getting past the Protestant vs. Catholic issue.
     

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