Russia is sure to lose in Ukraine, reckons a Chinese expert on Russia

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    OK - thanks. Gringo here - always thought it was jail because we get the word "hoosegow" from it. Watching too many western movies. I was wrong and I thank you for the correction. Confirmed by Google.

    "A: Hoosegow is a slang term synonymous with jail. The word comes from the Mexican Spanish word “juzgado,” meaning “tribunal” or “judge.” The word is derived from a mispronunciation of juzgado, the last two syllables of which are sometimes slurred into the diphthong “ao.” Juzgado also gave us “jug” as the term for jail"

    Today I learned. Muchas gracias. :)
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure it IS a correction. Your use of the term might be correct in some places. I don't know and have often wondered.
     
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  3. Johann

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  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Or, think about this, it might be United States colloquial Spanish. I can usually follow standard Mexican Spanish pretty easily but when the locals start talking amongst themselves, I quickly lose the thread.

    Here's an example where I did learn. During Covid, we did a lot of Google Meets hearings. The PIN for Meets always ends in what we call the number sign or occasionally the pound sign or symbol. I overheard a local interpreter refer to the pound sign as "gatita". What? Turns out that's the name for "tic tac toe" in fontera Spanish.

    Now there is no possible way I could have known that!

    Another really common example. If you didn't hear what someone said to you, you might say "Desculpa me?" Or "Como?" Or even "Que?" (Which I personally think is rude.) Around here, you say, "Mande?"

    So anyway, don't assume you're wrong.
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And 'corte' vs. 'juzgado' discussed fully, and (I believe) professionally, here: https://www.transcend.net/library/legalCourts/PL_LangVarCourt.pdf

    I'm thinking "hoosegow" which was borrowed to mean "jail" never meant exactly that in Spanish.
    "Calaboose" probably did. "Calabozo" - dungeon in Spanish.
    "Buckaroo" - another one - from "vaquero" (cowboy) in Spanish.

    "Proto-Spanglish" in the Old West. Might be a good doctoral dissertation subject - for somebody else. :)
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2024
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Russia is running out of tanks and other armored attack vehicles, I saw footage of one tank rushing toward Ukrainian forces trying to break through, with some 25 or 26 Russian solders on top and sides clinging to the tank, Ukrainian drone attacked tank and immediately solders were flying of the tank, half of the solders on it got hurt others fell and tried to escape the tank in flames.
    Russia lost some huge #s of thanks and armored vehicles so far and grim milestone was reached of above 450,000 Russian losses. They can't even launch an attack with multiple tanks, instead they sacrifice a lot of solders.
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It's interesting. Around here, what you might call a "gully" is an "arroyo". Always. The terms "gully" and "gulch" don't exist. On the other hand, a "camioneta" is a "peek up". Always.
     
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  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    A "ditch" for irrigation is an "acequia" and the guy in charge is the "Mayordomo". Almost always, at least in the North. Common usage down here.
     
  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    On the other hand, "almuerzo" is usually rendered "lonche" even if the parties are speaking English.
     
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Muchas gracias. Ahora tengo que conducir mi peek-up y comprar algo de lonche. :)
    Espero no conducir hacia la acequia o el arroyo. :)
     
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