Rushmore University

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  1. VB1

    VB1 New Member

    My academic credentials, while not "Ivy League", would still suffice (along with my requisite list of stellar professional accomplishments) to gain me entrance into most all other MBA programs. [Edinburgh School of Business in Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)] was my previous choice before locating Rushmore.) I say this to ask the following...

    I am very interested in Rushmore University, as the opportunity to work with leading professors, entrepreneurs, and authors (all rolled into a single persona) seems too appealing to pass-up. I realize the school is not accredited due to its lack of a core curriculum; but my thoughts are that I can structure my personal MBA program so as to graduate with not only the common, respected core body of learning, but also the opportunity to have made significant progress toward the completion & publishing of a book I recently started. [Rushmore U. encourages its MBA candidates to model portions of their program after that of such leading US business schools as Wharton School of Business (Penn), U. of Chicago, etc.]

    Any thoughts? ("Let the bashing offically begin!")
     
  2. amused

    amused member

    If you are expecting a 'bashing', why ask the question?

    My advice is do what you want to do. If you have read the previous posts to Degreeinfo on Rushmore and every other unaccredited school, you wouldn't be wasting your time here seeking comment.

    Study at Rushmore if you must, but be aware that the diploma is not really worth anything in the academic world, and has a diminishing use in the business world.

    A degree from an unaccredited school is really a waste of money and time, does nothing for your pride and provides a potential source of embarrasment at some point in your life.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The original poster's attribution of Rushmore's lack of accreditation to "its lack of a core curriculum" is absurd. Rushmore is not accredited because it is not accreditable--and on many fronts.

    Rushmore is a one-man "school." operated from different locations, and alway without proper recognition. Degrees from this "school" will have almost no acceptance academically. Whatever acceptance such a degree will have in the business world will almost certainly be due to hiring managers not knowing the true nature of Rushmore.

    If you choose to take a degree from Rushmore, fine. Enjoy.
     
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  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Bashing? I think that starting a thread with the intention of bashing a school is not fear to the institution and people from the forum.

    Rushmore is not a university, it is a company that delivers management training over the internet and labels its qualifications as degrees (MBA,DBA, PhD). Their qualifications are not recognized by any government or accrediting agency. The quality of training you will be getting might be of acceptable standard but the granted certificate won’t have any academic value.

    If you feel that you can get something from Rushmore it is up to you, but you won’t be able to use their qualification in places where an accredited degree is needed.
     
  5. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member

    Why Rusmore University got a rating of F as compared to Preston University rating of U by Oregon office of degree authorization. In my opinion both should have been rated as D.


    Oregon Office of Degree Authorization

    http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

    Illegal Foreign Suppliers (F)

    The degree suppliers listed below that are not in the U.S. have been identified by ODA as not meeting the statutory requirements in ORS 348.609 for degree use in Oregon.

    Illegal suppliers of uncertain status (U)
    Unaccredited U.S. entities that appear to supply degrees but have not been classified by ODA owing to insufficient information.

    Peter Chin
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The sub-status column is interesting, but really a relatively minor issue. The more important fact is that everything on that list is illegal in Oregon.

    Another interesting thing I noticed about that column is that Kennedy-Western University has moved from a "U" status to a "D", Diploma mill, status. Even though KWU hasn't ever published anywhere that I can find that their degrees are awarded after only 5-7 classes, I guess that the ODA found out. (Or perhaps the ODA decided that if an institution doesn't publicly list the graduation requirements then it doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt and it will be assumed that it's a Diploma Mill?) It would be interesting to know what the reaction of this is over on the closed KWU forum?
     
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  7. galanga

    galanga New Member

    perhaps this is why ODA gave K-W a "D"

    See the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs testimony from Lt. Cmdr. Claudia Gelzer. Please read the full transcript of Ms. Gelzer's testimony in order to have an accurate sense of the contents of her statement. Here is an extract:
    G
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Re: perhaps this is why ODA gave K-W a "D"

    The one claim that I've heard repeated often from the KWU graduates that have posted here was how the KWU courses were so good. I concluded that doing less than 50% of the standard work required for a normal degree meant that KWU was still a degree mill. The report that Dr. G linked to indicates that I was mistaken to give KWU the benefit of the doubt. The few classes that one is required to take at KWU is apparently a bad joke. I guess that I shouldn't feel surprised. :(
     
  9. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member

    "The sub-status column is interesting, but really a relatively minor issue. The more important fact is that everything on that list is illegal in Oregon. "


    I am convinced that 99% of students enrolling with such universities are not residing in Oregon and nor the students enrolling with such universities have plan to work in Oregon.

    These universities are mostly operation outside US and as such rating of S, U, F and D becomes relatively important since some of these getting a rating of F and U using it for their advantage as not being labelled as "Diploma Mills" by Office of Oregon Degree Uthorization.

    Peter Chin
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    There's little doubt that is true. The first reponsibility of the ODA is of course the citizens of Oregon. I suspect that the sub-status column is there, in part, for the greater audience.

    I would find it interesting and amusing if these institutions were pointing perspective "victims" to the ODA list that showed them to be illegal for use in Oregon just because they weren't classified as a straight out diploma mill. If you have such an example to share, I would really appreciate the amusement.

    On the other hand, I can easily envision victims of these places being so caught up in their own denial that they would use this information as some kind of justification. While I would also find this amusing, it is such a common type thing for the victims of academic fraud to grasp at straws that it is not nearly as interesting.
     
  11. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member

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    Originally posted by Peter Chin
    I am convinced that 99% of students enrolling with such universities are not residing in Oregon and nor the students enrolling with such universities have plan to work in Oregon.
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    There's little doubt that is true. The first reponsibility of the ODA is of course the citizens of Oregon. I suspect that the sub-status column is there, in part, for the greater audience.


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    Originally posted by Peter Chin
    These universities are mostly operation outside US and as such rating of S, U, F and D becomes relatively important since some of these getting a rating of F and U using it for their advantage as not being labelled as "Diploma Mills" by Office of Oregon Degree Uthorization.
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    I would find it interesting and amusing if these institutions were pointing perspective "victims" to the ODA list that showed them to be illegal for use in Oregon just because they weren't classified as a straight out diploma mill. If you have such an example to share, I would really appreciate the amusement.

    On the other hand, I can easily envision victims of these places being so caught up in their own denial that they would use this information as some kind of justification. While I would also find this amusing, it is such a common type thing for the victims of academic fraud to grasp at straws that it is not nearly as interesting.

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    There are two universities operating in Malaysia making use of ODA list for their advantage, American Global University (AGU) from Wyoming not listed in ODA listing and Century University rated (S) by ODA.

    Well as a matter of fact both of the above institutions are "Diploma Mills" and should have been rated as "D".

    Peter Chin
     
  12. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    Then I would advise you contact the ODA with suffecient evidence to have the listing looked at.
     
  13. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: perhaps this is why ODA gave K-W a "D"



    Interesting to see that the thread had the intention to bash Rushmore but KW was bashed instead.
     
  14. Migara

    Migara member

    One downside of the discussion board is that when a thread is posted on a specific question/topic or single subject matter, I have noticed it to be diverted into something else at the end by the fellow group members. As a Good example is this thread on Rushmore and now its end up on talking about KWU.

    Migara
     
  15. VB1

    VB1 New Member

    Thanks RF Valve & Migara. I started this thread due to a sincere questioning of Rushmore, and have largely had my post ignored throughout the discussion.

    I'm curious. The first few reply writers are obviously not Rushmore fans (and I appreciate your opinions, by the way); is anyone out there positive on the Rushmore education?

    VB1
     
  16. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member

    Thanks RF Valve & Migara. I started this thread due to a sincere questioning of Rushmore, and have largely had my post ignored throughout the discussion.

    I'm curious. The first few reply writers are obviously not Rushmore fans (and I appreciate your opinions, by the way); is anyone out there positive on the Rushmore education?

    VB1

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    I personally do not think that there is anyone on this forum who is postive on Rushmore education which is obviously a diploma mill have been kicked out from South Dakota and landed in cayman.

    RF Valve and Migara merely indicating the relevance of threads.

    Peter Chin
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Sort of. While they're the only thing that Googles for the postal address they list in the Caymans, an ad for them has a phone number with a 917 area code -- i.e. a mobile phone in New York City.

    My attitude? It's no problem to be a foreign country. Plenty of schools are, many of them are real schools. But don't give me a New York City phone number to call if you want me to accept that you're in the Caymans. If you do that, I'll conclude, as I have with Rushmore, that you're a degree mill, seeking to avoid scrutiny of your lack of legitimacy.

    As for accreditation, I doubt the Caymans even know Rushmore claims to be there.

    -=Steve=-
     
  18. Peter Chin

    Peter Chin New Member

    Thanks for the post and that is my point exactly. Be transparent about the school and its credentials.

    Peter Chin
     
  19. George Brown

    George Brown New Member

    As with all IBC legislation, it is not allowed to offer degrees to residents of the Caymans.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    What makes you think that your post was ignored? I didn't say anything about Rushmore because how many people do you need saying the same thing over and over and over again? If you have a question on someone's response then question it in a post and I think that you'll get a response.

    P.S. The stuff about claiming to be in the Caymen's but operating from elsewhere is a super strong indication of a degree mill that is very possibly operating illegally.
     
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