Regional Accredited Degree in 4 Weeks

Are we showing our intellectual maturity now, Janko?

 

Russ, your credibility does appear meaningless to you, at least as far as it goes on this board. I mean you may be concerned about your credibility with others but you've made it perfectly clear to me and most everyone else on this board that being credible to this community has zero importance to you.

So I'll ask again, if your credibility here means so little to you why should I value your credibility higher here than you do?

It is not only that you refuse to answer even the most innocent question but your illogical arguments, your weak grasp of the facts, your inability to carry on a discussion, your inability to accurately repeat or understand what others post seems severly lacking. It all leads to your lack of credibility.

Please note that I believe most of the above issues could be significantly improved if you tried, i.e., if you cared about your credibility within this community.

 

WRONG! No one is bullying you into anything. Others put forth logical arguments even when they disagree with other posters. You put forth wrong info and then fail to provide even one piece of support. Others put their reputation and career on the line. You remain the anonymous "Russ". If it walks like a shill, talks like a shill, looks like a shill, it probably IS!

 

Correct, thinking about it a little bit more, I think a big part of the problem is also that Russ doesn't ever seem to engage in any discussions. He makes a statement but never seems to respond to people that respond to him, at least not with followup questions or clarifications. It gives the impression that he's not being serious in trying to understand or to even making a point.

 

In russ' defense, he has responded to several of my post with his version of how he would set up the "accreditation credit company." I may not agree with his arguments but he has, in this one case, offered them.

 

I seem to recall that russ admitted in one of his posts that his self-appointed purpose here is to act as a provocateur.

He's actually very good at it. He makes posts that are ostensibly about accreditation or something, but tailors them to be just outrageous enough to get a response. He announces that accreditation is "broke" and needs to be swept away. He tries to provoke DETC vs. RA battles. He tells us that we here on Degreeinfo are all "RA or no way".

But when we respond to the bait, he just dances away and never engages with us intellectually. Then he repeats the cycle and posts another provocation.

It's all about making the dogs bark.

I think that the best way to respond to that kind of stuff is to keep it completely impersonal and abstract. NEVER let exchanges with trolls devolve from ideas to personalities. That's precisely what they are working so hard to achieve.

When you angrily insult a troll, he's won his little game.

I think that we naturally occupy the high ground. Attacking higher education standards and their verification is inherently more difficult than defending them.

So we should just implacably and dispassionately exploit that natural advantage and refuse to let ourselves be baited into behaving childishly.

 

But were the responses responsive? Or were they just more of the same, despite others' attempts at advancing the discussion? I feel it is/was the latter, hence the "troll" designation. (Among many other reasons.)

 

I asked why an employer would pay to have a school checked and he gave his reasons. They weren't very good reasons but they were his reasons.

 

Russ, in the past the entity which calls itself KW"U" did claim accreditation from a fake accreditor.

Allign this fact with your statement quoted above.

Logical conclusion?

KW"U" did "say they ARE accredited by some fabricated accrediting agency or a foreign government" thus it is a diploma mill.

Thanks for making the point for me!

Of course, you would not admit to owning or saying what I quoted above, nor would you accede to the conclusion therefrom, would you? Surprise me; own up!

Observe Russ do the spin, slip and slide (if and when he responds to this question.)

If he does, is there is a word en anglaise for describing such behavior?

Troll.

 

It's musical: troll+shill=trill.

 

I don't know if KWU ever used a phony accreditor or not therefore I cannot validate your conclusion as true. Even if I accept your premise I would have to have another one that stated that no legitimate school has ever used a questionable accreditor. Your logic is not infallible.

JimS seems to have more knowledge about KWU (since he is using them for his education) than I ever would and he says they are not a diploma mill. Why would he say that?

 

Thanks, Deb. I know you don't want to be known as a defender of me (and you aren't) but I do appreciate your balanced view.

 

Because he has a vested interest in the outcome of that question, perhaps? One does not have to actually taste poison to detect it. The least qualified people to fairly assess a diploma mill (or something close to it) are its customers. Try actually gathering the available evidence and then defend it. If you can do that, you'll get people to see your point (whatever it is).

 

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It is a fact that the entity called KW (KW"E") once claimed a fake accreditor.

See the following two published media articles:

1. Accrediting Agencies Not Recognized Under GAAP

"National Association for Private Post-Secondary Education Washington, DC. Mentioned, in 1990, in the literature of Kennedy-Western University. They say they are not an accrediting agency but a private association of schools, however Kennedy-Western claimed accreditation from them."

Source: http://www.degree.net/guides/non-gaap_listings.html

2. Unaccredited Degrees, The Singapore Context: Kennedy-Western University

"Be careful about considering their degree program. You may have heard of this university in Singapore. They conferred honorary degrees to many self-made entrepreneurs."

Source: http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~chrisyeh/degmill1.htm

A word to the wise, .........

Thanks.

 

KW"E" - A Brief History .....

The brief item below might be of some benefit to Russ, JimS, and others supportive of KW"E" and similar operations.

As the old adage goes: All that glitters is not gold. KW"E" does glitter a lot, but its luminescence is from high-pressure marketing and sales, not gold.

Thanks.

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States Struggle to Regulate Online Colleges That Lack Accreditation

Source:
http://www.coe.ohio-state.edu/ademb/925Tech/Additional%20reports/diplomamills.htm

"Cheyenne is also home to Kennedy-Western and American Global Universities, which have small offices within a block of each other in the city's sleepy downtown. An unannounced visit to Kennedy-Western reveals a quiet and stark basement office. No one is seated at the front desk to greet visitors. After several minutes Stephanie Baty, whose business card reads "Wyoming Admissions/Coordinator of Alumni and Corporate Development," appears in the foyer.

"She says she is not authorized to answer reporters' questions, and says the office is primarily used for data entry. Another person works there with her, and, she says, a third person will be joining the staff shortly. The university's Web site (http://www.kw.edu) encourages students to visit its "administrative" office in Thousand Oaks, Calif., where officials say staff members in admissions, student services, information services, and accounting are located.

"But the university is barred from enrolling California students because it is not licensed by the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education. Kennedy-Western also stopped recruiting Oregon residents through the mail after it was contacted by Drew A. Lianopoulos, an Oregon assistant attorney general. In a December letter, he said the university misleads Oregonians into believing that a Kennedy-Western degree is recognized in Oregon, which it is not.

"Kennedy-Western honored Mr. Lianopoulos's request even though officials said the college was doing nothing illegal. Christine S. Upton, a Los Angeles lawyer representing the university, wrote in a January letter to Mr. Lianopoulos that the U.S. Constitution does not allow Oregon to regulate a distance-learning institution licensed by another state.

"Kennedy-Western at one time used an Idaho mailing address, but when it sought renewal of its registration there in 1998, it was turned away by the state board of education because the university lacked accreditation. Robin Dodson, chief academic officer for the Idaho State Board of Education, estimates that Kennedy-Western's revenue is between $6-million to $10-million a year. "It's a big international operation," he says. His office used to receive as many as 200 telephone calls a month from people inquiring about the university, he adds.

"Kennedy-Western officials declined to reveal how many students are enrolled at the university or what percentage are from foreign countries. They say it also has offices in Jakarta, Indonesia; Moscow; and Singapore.

"Tuition is based on students' professional experience and ranges from $4,500 to $8,200. Kennedy-Western says students do assignments and communicate with faculty members through the Internet, telephone calls, and faxes. Students can also take exams and listen to lectures online, Kennedy-Western officials say, but the university's Web site has no links to courses, which are a common feature of accredited distance-learning institutions. The site does, however, have an array of marketing features, including audio clips of unidentified students enthusiastically promoting the college.

"The site also has a picture of Kennedy-Western's Wyoming private-school license and a newsletter trumpeting, among other things, a "faculty update" about a professor with a Ph.D. from Columbia Pacific University. Last month, a judge in Marin County Superior Court, in California, ordered Columbia Pacific to cease operations in California because it had been operating without state approval."

A word (or more) to the wise, .........

Thanks.

 

Sorry, those examples do not convince me KWU is anything other than it claims.
"National Association for Private Post-Secondary Education Washington, DC. Mentioned, in 1990, in the literature of Kennedy-Western University. They say they are not an accrediting agency but a private association of schools, however Kennedy-Western claimed accreditation from them."
15 Years ago! So what? An organization can change drastically in 15 years.
The Singapore connection is nothing more than conferring honorary degrees. Check out Bear's book for the list of brick and mortar institutions who do the same thing.
Jim

 

This is true. However, KWU has not really changed. They keep fleeing from jurisdiction to jurisdiction to avoid having to change and become legal in the their previous jurisdictions of residence.

The blatant selling of Ph.D.'s is not the norm as you seem to claim.

 

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Quite true but the KWE organization, in this particular regard, has not changed much in 15 years.

After claiming accreditation from a fake accreditor in the past, KWE has NOW and for some time adopted the shameful and highly deceptive practice of advertising itself to the multitudes of unknowing degree-seekers, by boldly ensuring that many of its online advertisements are shown in, or listed together, with properly and legitimately accredited schools!

Have you not seen or read KWE media advertisements where KWE ensures that it is listed under "Accredited Schools" with the likes of Walden, UoP, Capella, etc."

I bet you have seen exactly what it is I am describing here!

Yup! The leopard has not changed its spots!

Why on earth, would a supremely sub-standard, unaccredited entity advertise itself in the same spots, same venues, same online advertisement seller websites, under similar headings and banners, with well-known and legitimately accredited online DL schools?

These are quite bold, shameful and deceptive "business" practices!

I am not aware of any other unaccredited entity that does this. Even if there were any others in addition to KWE that did this, that does not say that ipso facto, KWE is a high quality school because others do what it (deceptively) does.

Yup!

If you cannot be like them by being properly accredited and going through the exacting institutional and programmatic quality reviews that they had gone through, simply join them - or force yourself into their company, wily-nily.

Also, KWE has, of late, been all over the place, with its so-called corporate Communications and PR Chief, David Gering, often talking out of both sides of its mouth, making deceptive and non-committal statements in published media releases, (please do not make me quote the many instances when KWE has done this - I will fill the forum with his useless clutter!) such as "we are constantly looking at accreditation," or "we continue to evaluate the merits of US voluntary accreditation," when in fact, nothing is farther from KWE's intentions!

And perhaps, more telling than many of its bad business practices, KWE has notoriously and openly fought, in the Wyoming Legislature, to prevent new entrants from entering the highly profitable unaccredited degree-granting market in its safe-harbor haven state of Wyoming, by openly supporting proposed legislation that would require new entrants to be accredited - a good thing - AS LONG AS, ITSELF, KWE, WAS EXEMPTED FROM SAID LEGISLATION!

Wow!

Ostensibly KWE is doing so to protect itself from any new "competition."

Probably the final coup d'etat is the fact that even the overseeing official in Wyoming's Department of Education, which licenses many of the state's notoriously sub-standard degree operations like KWE, openly said recently:

"We (Wyoming DoE) expect legitimate schools to seek accreditation."

Yup!

Wyoming admits that it probably licenses diploma mills and shady DL businesses, but if they were sincere and legit, they would "seek accreditation."

Fact:

- KWE is ununaccredited.

- KWE has remained unaccredted for 20 years!

- KWE is licensed by this same Wyoming DoE spokesperson's department.

- KWE is STILL not accredited (in spite of the spokesperson's statement).

- KWE is not on record anywhere that is known, as seeking legitimate accreditation or preparing to begin the long, arduous process thereof.

So, what do all of this tell one about KWE or its intentions?

If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, shuffles like a doc, maybe, just maybe, IT IS A DUCK?

You decide.

Thanks.