Pro-Trump mob infiltrates US Capitol

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Maniac Craniac, Jan 6, 2021.

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    They got the bias correct, that level of factual reporting isn't the top one, and and I think they're rightfully reluctant to say outlets are counterfactual unless they can really back it up. That seems reasonable to me.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    MBFS may over value the lack of any failed fact checks, especially when the news site has zero fact checks?

    edit: I think that I may be saying the same thing as Steve in the previous post?
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Excerpt form an article:
    Jonathan D. Sarna, University Professor and Joseph H. & Belle R. Braun Professor of American Jewish History, Brandeis University
    Fri, January 8, 2021, 3:14 PM PST
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    It always was a problem when supremacy groups piggyback on right movement. One of the reasons my friends criticize me for being on a right .
    I respond there are radicals on both sides, that majority on the right are not racists.
    Still the events on Jan 6th have deep affect/jolted me.
     
  4. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Of course, this is absolutely true that only a minority of the right are racist. Why does Trump pander to them then? Because, they are not an insignificant minority but much more important, they are some of his most fervent and loyal supporters. Trump in public when asked to reject the racists instead asked them to stand down and stand by. He thought that he might be needing their services. For example, he called on them January 6th to help him try to take by force, to fight like hell, to get what he wanted, which is to stay in power.
     
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The motives of the mob are unimportant anyway. A jury will have to decide from all the facts and circumstances whether Trump incited a mob to attack the Congress. If not, he will be found not guilty of that charge. If yes, who the mob was won't matter. All of this assumes that Trump will be indicted. I expect he will be unless he and Pence reach an accommodation.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    38 Times President Trump Has Condemned Racism and White Supremacy

     
  8. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    More and more hypocrisy. Suddenly, CNN feels ok with using the word "riot" and are no longer calling them "mostly peaceful" no matter how many buildings are destroyed and how many people are hurt. Interesting how that works.

    Also, this is "terrorism" but an armed militia taking over several blocks of territory in Seattle, declaring secession, destroying massive amounts of property, raiding a police precinct and expelling the police, is civil disobedience. Unbelievable.
     
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  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It was not really 38 times that Trump condemned racism and white supremacy by my count. Maybe half that since they counted multiple times most occurences. But let's say it was 38. He keeps getting asked this question simply because he keeps contradicting himself on this issue.
     
  10. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Hypocrisy and double standard of the media is part of the problem.
    This is just another example why people gravitate to alternate sources of information.
    Now all Conservatives and Republicans are facing Salem style witch hunt.
    Like the Soviets would expel people from Universities, jobs etc, whats next Gulags?

    Where are the "terrorists" from Seattle and Portland etc.
     
  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Can't agree with you this time, Dr. L, though usually I do. A violent attack on the congress is a deadly serious matter.
     
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  13. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Plenty of us think the same thing about you. I'm sure you'd respond, in some colorful way, that you couldn't care less what we think of you. Again, the feeling is mutual.

    The difference is that no one here other than you spends any appreciable amount of time butting our nose into conversations we don't care about between people we don't care about just to make sure nobody has forgotten just how much we don't care about them or it or anything.

    BTW, I'm glad you think you have a life. It would be sad if you didn't. However, it will never make a lick of sense why you'd put all the great and important things in this alleged life you have aside just to grace us with your predictable and tiresome attempts at condescension and derision.

    Oh, and let me save you some time and energy- BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    There, I said it for you, so don't feel too bad for letting this be the last word.
     
  14. Thorne

    Thorne Member

    I just find it remarkable that Trump is inciting violence by saying "go home with love and in peace" while Pelosi literally said, "I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. And maybe there will be, when people realize that this is a policy that they defend." about a policy held by both the Obama and Trump administrations about migrants, yet she gets reelected as Speaker and faces no charges.
     
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  15. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Since I'm on the hypocrisy hype train, I failed to point out an egregious hypocrisy of the Capitol rioters. These morons keep crying "STOP THE STEAL!" whilst being the only people who are unambiguously actually trying to steal the office of the President.
     
  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    And no, I'm not trying to play both sides of the fence. Double standards are among my biggest pet peeves and one of the the easiest way to rile me up. Color me especially riled, lately.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Both are deadly serious.
    Attack on Seattle and occupying it , attacking the local law enforcement, burning and looting government and privet property for long time, sending message that no one is being punished for this.
    Well unless you are Trump supporter.
    Both attacks are wrong and deadly serious.
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Okay, Mr Whataboutism, I looked up, Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. This is apparently what this current whataboutism was talking about? The Riot on January 6th cost 5 lives and THE CAPITOL was taken over and vice president, speaker of the house, and others were threatened with death by a chanting vicious crowd! When a 16 year old was shot and killed the police took back the few blocks of the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone the day after. Your ridiculous assertion that because no one was punished means that the poor poor Trump supporters are being picked on just because they support Trump!? Murdering a policeman by beating him to death with a fire hydrate is {expletive deleted} Taking over the capitol compared to the stupid Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone is not reasonable whataboutism, Mr. Whataboutism. What the fuck does one thing have to do with the other for god's sake!!!! Sorry for the foul language but my head just exploded.
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Look, folks, there are two solid objective facts we mustn't lose track of. 1) 8 days to President Biden; and 2) Democratic control of both Houses of Congress.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The question remains like after any change following the elections what will be the future of the USA under the new administration?
    Time will show.
     

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