President Carter wins Nobel Peace Prize

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It is probably fair to call Carter naive but if so then I can think of many great people that would also need to be so categorized. Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Buddha, Jesus Christ would be among them. I am not suggesting Carter ranks with these individuals, just that naivety can be a huge asset.

 

It says something ugly about both our world and about each of us, if the prize about which we find it most difficult to peacefully agree is the peace prize.

If the peace prize has become so perverted that it has become a catalyst for divisiveness, anger and partisanship, then perhaps it should be discontinued.

 

I see the fact that we can and do debate how we see Presidents and history a powerful affirmation of our society. Perhaps I enjoy debating too much. I am, however, glad we hold people that seek peace up as examples of the greatness of human potential.

 

Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
James Earl Carter

 

That's wrong, Dave...

Actually, Reagan's ideas WERE his own.

Between his governoship of California and his two presidential election runs, he was busy writing brief radio speeches, building upon his earlier work and combining is experiences and wide reading that became his first term Presidential agenda.

See "Stories in His Own Hand: The Everyday Wisdom of Ronald Reagan," Martin Anderson, et al., eds. (2001)

 

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Rich, surely you are not that naive about Iraq. I am amused by your response and those of France, etc. It is like those who did not want us involved in a war against Germany and made up all sorts of excuses and rationalizations (ala Neville in GB). Unfortunately, when you guys turn out to be wrong we will all pay a heavy price.

As for GWB. People underestimate him. I am also amused by the left's attacks on him. Gore is a better public speaker but certainly no brighter. Gore's academic record is nothing to write home about. Also, GWB has the Harvard MBA. That C he earned at Harvard is maybe an A at the Masters level or B at the doctoral level in some state and for profit universities.

The next part is not directed at you. I am increasingly annoyed with the left's nonsense attacks on GWB and the Republicans. We saw the appalling and childish tactics when they left the White House as they vandalized the place and cost the tax payers thousands to fix damage to the phone sytem etc. Then you have folks like Gore running around making stupid statements about GWB & the effort against terrorism and equally stupid statements that GWB was handed a strong economy. We remember that the economy was on the way down when GWB inherited it. In fact Clinton got mad when GWB kept mentioning the fact the economy was beginning to have problems. Let's not forgot the recent New Jersey deal where against state law the demos stuck a candidate in to replace Torrecelli.

Don't get me wrong I know both sides have problems (eg was the self righteous sex stuff that effected both sides of the house). But I am increasingly becoming turned off by self righteous hypocricy of the democrats and ridiculous unintelligent statements by folks like Baldwin and Streisand.

Thank goodness we have Bill O'Reilly and Hannity of Hannity & Colmes to keep us logical. {smile}.

North

 

Compared to the right's attacks on Clinton? All Clinton did was lie about getting oral sex and pardon a few bad people on his way out. Bush is, like his father before him, taking us to war. For what? Freedom? We have that. Freedom for the Middle East? They've never had it. Freedom for the Iraqis? Replacing Sadaam will be easier than that. Our security? Sadaam doesn't threaten the U.S. He's a regional problem, not a global one, and he may not even be so much of a problem there. When he invaded Kuwait, we kicked him out and reinstated their dictatorship. Some democratic move there. It isn't going to change under the Shrub, except a lot of Americans--and a whole lot more Iraqis (including civilians) are going to get killed. This isn't about politics, or left/right, it's about national security, freedom, and peace. The only one threatening that is Bush.

 

Jimmy Carter

Hmmm.
1977-1981

Double Digit inflation.
Double Digit Unemployment
Salt Treaty from Salt I
Salt II
Salt Peter.

31 world nations lost to communism

Iran Hostage
Iran Debacle. c-130s lay burning.
Delta Troops Dead and Wounded.

We attacked the Evil Soviet Empire by boycotting the Olympics
Wow!!! No if that wasn't symbolism over substance.

Our military lay in rot. Broken weapons. Spare parts.
Moral at rock bottom.

An old saying about paying for the present by shouldering the sins of the past. Could our middle east problems of today come from the 1979 overthrow of the Shah? A do nothing Carter administration who watched radical sect's grow from infancy to adult terror? Just a thought.

Mr. Douglas. I thought you were retired military.
Sounds like you really have a dire hatred for GWB.

Does President Carter deserve the Peace Prize. Who Cares.

Didn't the man the prize was named after invent Dynamite?
Ohhh, now that is peaceful.

Basically, all this was is another effort for the left to bash America.
Blame us and the current administration for all the worlds woes and stir the pot.

We all know it is BS. MS and PhD. with politicians.

You want the true winner of the Peace Prize.
The Soldier, Sailer, Airman and Marine. The poor bastard who lays their life on the line so we can stand on our soapbox and cry about our freedoms and having the best life the world has to offer.

All gave some. Some gave all.
Then there is the sniffling bastard who gave nothing at all.

 

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Veteran101

Thank you for serving our country Veteran. I and everyone else owe you that and much more. Like you, I see our country as close to paradise. I agree with many of the points you made and disagree with some.

I believe it is a mistake to blame Carter for most or all that happened to the U.S. in the late 70's and early 80's. Our country suffered from the Vietnam quagmire, the legacy of the Nixon Administration, and an economy that just could not get on track to mention only the high points.

Carter like any President made many mistakes and successes. I don't believe any president is as bad or as good as we sometimes imagine them to be. Carter showed the world that peace and common welfare could be a worthwhile goal. It is possible he made some of Reagan's successes achievable.

As for Iran, I don't believe it is moral for the U.S. to control the politics and destinies of governments through out the world. The Shah clearly was a U.S. puppet and our support of him may have been one of the causes for later zealous conservative overthrows in the region.

While I truly believe Carter to be a deserving recipient of the prize, I agree that we continue to owe a huge debt to other people that have served our country. Even if you disagree with everything Carter did, if you know much about him as a man, you know that he did it in service to the country and the world.


Respectfully,
Dave Hayden

 

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Come on Rich. Ridiculous Hyperbole. I think it was fortunate that GWB and his mature leadership team were in power when 911 happened. The quality of the democratic team was seen in the vandalizing of the White House as the demos left. GWB has exibited solid leadership and concern for our National Security. This was absent with the two democratic concerns during which we managed to slip up with security and the chinese. Anything for money and power with the demos. GWB gives evidence of being a moral, ethical & sincere human being. Another aspect missing in the last president.

Incidentally, although I think Carter was certainly not a great President, he was an intelligent and sincere man (born again Christian) who has been one of the best ex Presidents. He put his faith into action.


North

 

You're leaving out the most important part.....he lied under oath, which is called perjury, a felony in all 50 states and under Federal law.

And before I hear "lying about sex doesn't count" once again, let's remember the female VA Psychologist (her name escapes me at the moment) who lied under oath about oral sex, was convicted of perjury, and sentenced to prison.

Do I care if Clinton was getting bean jobs in the Oral...errr...Oval Office? Not particuarly, but once he perjured himself he disgraced himself and the office of the President. An honorable man would have resigned, and a Senate with any testicular fortitude would have convicted him.


Bruce

 

In all the ramblings of man, and proof put forth to preclude another's. With all your learnings, and loves, and prejudices. Will souls never understand the bromide; one should never argue about politics or religion.

 

Re: That's wrong, Dave...

To add to this thought, a new book is coming out about Reagan. I have not read it, but the write ups look good. Here is how one reviewer commented,


"This is a meticulously researched and penetrating analysis of the Cold
War and the man who ended it. Peter Schweizer delves into the origins
of Ronald Reagan's vision of America, and documents Reagan's consistent,
aggressive belief in confronting the Soviet Union diplomatically,
economically and militarily.

The Left often dismisses Ronald Reagan as an "amiable dunce," a genial
actor who simply mouthed whatever slogans his right-wing puppet masters
put in front of him. "Reagan's War" brilliantly overturns this myth.
Drawing on private diaries dating from Reagan's days as an actor and
extending through his presidency, Schweizer, a well-known historian of the
Cold War, shows that Reagan's fervent anti-communism marked every era
of his life and was the driving force behind his policies as president."

The book is called "Reagan's War." I may just have to get it...

clint

 

Here's a DL connection to this thread: The Carter Center Appoints Ethiopia Public Health Training Director.

Among other things, the Carter Center initiative plans a Master's degree in public health for Ethiopia:

• ... Learning modules addressing major health problems in Ethiopia have been developed for practical health care fieldwork in HIV/AIDS, malaria, diarrhea, pneumonia, trachoma, malnutrition, and other needs. Next steps for the Initiative include addressing the need for mental health education and developing a distance learning program for a master's degree in public health. ...