Post doctoral bridge

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I'm considering the Post doc certificate at Grenoble:

    http://www.aacsb.edu/bridgetobusiness/Grenoble.asp

    The program is two years and it costs 15K. The cost seems to be right as my employer can cover it. My question is how realistic would be to land a tenure track position at a AACSB school with this certificate?

    I find that salaries at AACSB accredited research institutions are a lot higher than the typical 4 year state school without accreditation. Most offers that I get are in the order of 50 to 70K at non AACSB accredited schools but the AACSB website claims that starting salaries at AACSB institutions are in the 100K range.

    Has anyone done this certificate and being able to land a tenure track job? I have talked to few that were able to land part time or non tenure positions with similar certificates so I wonder if this is just another way to get your money and not a real deal.

    AACSB claims that graduates of these certificates would be as qualified as PhD holders from AACSB schools but it might be just a selling pitch.
     
  2. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know how useful it may be. Let us know if you follow through with it.
     
  3. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    With the Grenoble program taking two years and several trips to Europe, wouldn't the University of Florida one be better? It is the cheapest at $25K, only five months and would not require international travel.
     
  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Thanks, this looks like a better option if it was out my pocket. The problem is that my employer can pay up to 7K per year so the 15K two year looked like a good option but the 25K for the 5 months look more appealing.
     
  5. Scott Henley

    Scott Henley New Member

    Can't speak to that specific bridge program, although I have heard of it. Grenoble-EM is a great school with a solid international reputation. It just ranked #30 in all of Europe for business schools by the Financial Times.
     
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Based on what I've heard, what ever that's worth, the best bridge from a doctoral degree to a faculty position is to create a portfolio of research articles published in known scholarly journals.
     
  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I think you are right, but also having a post doc from a known school like Grenoble can be a good resume booster.
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    In a competitive world, every little bit helps.
     
  9. Han

    Han New Member

    Why not go for their doctorate degree, rather than the certificate. The AACSB schools I looked at required for their tenured track positions a doctoral degree. You may get a lecturer position with less, and be a leg up on the Master holders, but I would go for the doctoral degree......
     
  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Like a second doctorate? The Post doc is like a make up for those having already a doctorate. Going for a second doctorate just to be able to teach at a AACSB accredited school is not worth it in my opinion.
     
  11. Han

    Han New Member

    Depending on where you received your first doctorate, it may be a choice.... is your first from an AACSB school?
     
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    No, for the same reason I was considering this program but I haven't found anybody who has been able to land a tenure track at a AACSB school with this program. I have contacted few graduates but one is working part time and the other one on a term contract at a AACSB school.
     
  13. Scott Henley

    Scott Henley New Member

    Perhaps you should contact the HR Department or Dean of Business of a few AACSB-accredited universities and ask them what they think of the program?

    This "bridge" program is apparently endorsed by the AACSB and one would assume that it has been marketed to AACSB universities.

    It sounds like a good program and the "post-doctoral" badge certainly makes it seem like an advanced program; even "higher" than a regular AACSB-accredited doctorate... although this is just perception.
     
  14. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    Here is a link We have hired faculty with Ph.D.'s in anthropology, engineering, labor relations, mathematics, psychology, and sociology. Many of these faculty members have built very successful careers and are leaders in their fields, including Warrington professors Joseph Alba, Distinguished Professor of Marketing (Ph.D., Psychology) and Timothy Judge, Eminent Scholar in Management (Ph.D., Labor and Industrial Relations). from UF. Both Dr Alba and Dr Judge have impressive backgrounds. One has a PhD from an AACSB school already (Temple).
     
  15. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    My daughter-in-law earned her Ph.D. in Ocean Science from a good university and is now doing her post doc at a top university. She said the only other degree that would ad to her credentials would be an MBA.
     
  16. Dr Rene

    Dr Rene Member

    Based on what I can tell from the AACSB website, the AACSB Post Doc Bridge to Business Program seems to be for non-business doctorates (economics, engineering, math, psychology, sociology, and statistics) to cross-over and become Academically Qualified (AQ) business professors at AACSB accredited schools.

    It seems that a professor with a PhD in sociology, for example, can attend classes at one of the bridge schools and then be considered AQ for teaching graduate business courses at an AACSB school.

    Does it seem odd that a professor, with no business degrees or business experience, but with a PhD in statistics, for example, and completion of the Post Doc could be teaching students that will be entering the business world?

    Shouldn’t practical business experience (and formal business education) have any value for business professors? As a business student I always had professors with real-world experience, as well as formal education (degrees) in business. Can you imagine a PhD in psychology, with no practical business experience or formal business education (degrees) but with a Post Doc, teaching graduate accounting courses?

    Just my opinion.
     
  17. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    I could see a PhD in Statistics teaching Business Statistics.

    I could see a PhD in Psychology teaching Industrial & Organizational Psychology.
     
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I see it from the non AACSB graduate that wants to teach a AACSB accredited school. At least for the post doc at Grenoble, the program accepts DBA or PhD in Management applicants.

    I have seen many PhDs in Engineering teaching Operations and IT Management so I don't see why not they can make the change. The program also gives preference to people that already teach business but just need a bit of help to be technical qualified.

    In the business world, you have people with PhDs in Science working in marketing or finance, so it is not so difficult to think that they can break into business teaching.

    I think that it is not very realistic that a PhD in Religion with no business experience can just break into business teaching with the bridge for example.
     
  19. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    Hate to dig this one back up but has anyone looked into these programs or started them? How about the AACSB PQ Bridge Program? Anyone...anyone...
     
  20. slb1957

    slb1957 New Member

    AACSB Bridge Program

    I am not certain if you would consider the AACSB Bridge program. This program is tailored to business professionals who want to make the transition to teaching. Program attendees are certified as being Professionally Qualified.

    I attended the Bridge Program two years ago at Georgia State Univ in Atlanta. This university hires a number of PQ faculty. The cost was 5k + expenses. I returned home to NC and immediately contacted all local AACSB business schools. In less than two months, I was teaching a course at a prestigious private university. The compensation was 7k for the course, so the Bridge Program ROI was incredible.
     

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