Positions I Hold for Clarification

What if a person got married in Ukraine or overseas regular hetro civil marriage?

Is there a state were I can move and be considered single or my marriage not recognized -) Instead if applying for divorce, and also lets say are there States that don't recognized Nevada marriages

My wife is next to me and she just hit me with a towel, ouch.

Just kidding

 

Then Nevada will recognize your Nevada drive-thru marriage so you go back to Nevada and you get yourself a quickie Nevada divorce and hope your home state recognizes Nevada divorces.

 

Or maybe you could file for an anullment on the grounds that your marriage never existed in the first place ... which is exactly what your home state believes anyway, at least in your example.

 

This line of reasoning could be extended to Kensington, except for one thing: the quoted statistic is grossly inaccurate.

Cumulative bar pass statistics for 1992-1996 are shown here. There were a total of 78 Kensington bar takers, and 8 passed, for a pass rate of 10.3%. This was below the average for correspondence schools, which was 14.8 %.

I looked up the 1997-2000 stats at the Calbar website. There were another 48 Kensington bar takers during this time, and 4 passed. So the cumulative Kensington success rate from 1992-2000 was 12 out of 126, or 9.5%.

But even this statistic overstates Kensington's success at training lawyers. Correspondence school students are required to take a preliminary exam, the FYLSX or "baby bar", before they can qualify for the general bar exam. The flunk rates on the FYLSX are typically more than 50%.

It is reasonable to estimate the overall success rate of the Kensington program at less than 5%, given attrition due to the FYLSX, the general bar exam, and drop-outs. The total number of individuals who became practicing attorneys through a Kensington education was at least 12 (between 1992-2000), but probably not much higher than that.

 

Therefore its therefore possible when there is a Governors conference to advance the idea of a common base on therefore recognition based on that base.

What I meant they would agree to common checks for the formation of a school in the state then at legally recognize those degrees granted from those institutions.

 

Time for another primer on the US system of government:

State governors have no power to introduce new laws. The governors do meet together from time to time, but their conferences have no more legal significance than a national convention of realtors or plumbers.

New laws are enacted by state legislatures. But state legislatures do not act in concert to establish new rules on a national basis (except in rare cases when they address proposed amendments to the US Constitution).

And even if they did, they would not agree on minimum standards for establishing new schools. Right now, some states (e.g. Oregon) have much tougher standards than others (e.g. Mississippi); there is no national consensus. The legal momentum currently appears to be towards the more restrictive Oregon model; for example, Washington and Wyoming have recently passed laws that tightened their standards.

 

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In the last point YES you have it exactly let the medical professional organizations namely the AMA decide on such matters leave the government out of it. If an alternative medical doctor wants to practice why a license he should just practice under the auspices of their professional organization. Same with psychology and other fields let the free market and open competition rule the roost. So you have my position right on the nose.

 

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The AMA is strongly opposed to naturopathy, and naturopaths are not admitted into the AMA. Under your model, an "alternative medical doctor" would be excluded from the market entirely, because the AMA would exclude him from such. This would be the same for chiropractors if the AMA were in charge of licensing practitioners (although, currently the AMA allows that it is ethical for a physician to associate professionally with chiropractors provided that the physician believes that such association is in the best interests of his or her patient) .

Your free market model would not be free at all, just run by other private parties recognized by the government. (A lot like the private accreditors run now, isn't it?)

 

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Under a true libertarian model, alternative medical providers would have the free will to form their own private association, perhaps called American Alternative Medicine Association, which would accredit new alternative medicine providers and schools.

 

I admit this in my other thread I was wrong on accreditation I see it as a legitimate private market tool to recognize instutions of higher learning for specific purposes- the use of credentials for business and professional aspects. There I listened, studied and as a scholar altered my view so I apologize if I offended anyone. I meant this as a reasoning pieceof my views not meant to hurt anyone.

I still hold to the view that I feel to be educated one doesn't have to attend schools or have a degree, self-education is an old and tested way to become educated. And that there are many ways to prove ones knowledge to earn a higher education degree that are just as valid for personal use degrees as those earned by accredited schools. So there is a place for what I will call "special consideration degrees" such as for life assessment or learning contract that are outside the regular school structure.

And do you think if the AMA had sole responsibility to control medical professionals with the related major medical fields with the standards would drop? I for one would think the doctors would still have the exacting standards and be worthy of going to for medical care regardless of government regulation being set aside. The only difference would be alternative medical providers would also be in play and I like my Chinese practitioner she helps me a great deal with her herbs and pressure point massage. In fact she and my primary care a fine family doctor work together for me and they are both good. Same with my cardiologist a fine mainstream doctor. I'm just for options and letting the medical professions not be so bogged down the same reason I see the FDA refusing drugs because they might not work. Well that is not their job they are just to determine safety originally and overstepped their place years ago. If a drug is not effective then a doctor should decide that not a government agency- they should look at safety only. If a drug then is safe to give out let the market prove its a good drug. I think many more might be available especially from abroad.

 

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Ok I have to reply I admited I was wrong on accreditation not that I think the system is utterly biased to non-conventional degrees. But that it is a legitimate capitalist idea to have third party agencies involved in decided school quality.

That said I demand an apology sir I never called anyone elses ideas here CRAP, never insulted anyone directly or stated that they had poor credentials. I'm very well educated I've read over 400 great works texts all in my personal library and numerous other works of value in the modern arena of learning, was active for years in academic clubs or groups and wrote dozens of philosophical position papers and theory works. How dare you call me unworthy to be here or that I'm a fool which is what you stated above in so many words.

I've always sought to be a scholar, a gentleman and a peer and this is the response I get when in another thread I was asked my positions. So wrote the above.

Gentleperson scholars (sorry to any ladies herein present for the gender specific term earlier) can disagree, debate and have the right to alter their opinions or keep them that is civilized discourse. This reply is unworthy of you when you clearly are educated and can set down a more formal position. I changed my position to a degree from honest debate and study on accreditation and not from your remarks.

(I wish to send my best wishes and regret the extra post but this had to be said. He offended me and my honor and will be redressed with this reply to some degree.)

 

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Fine.

You do realize that you are replying to a post that is six days old on a thread that you have replied to twice already. Your outrage is a little forced and, I think, disingenuous. You've created a rediculous straw-man arguement here, and attributed words and sentiments to me that I did not write.

You'll be receiving no apologies from me.

Nice dramatic flourish.

Lets not pretend that any post you've made on this forum had anything to do with determining whether or not someone is educated. This has all been about the granting of degrees and other academic credentials. You can become educated by reading in a library, but that alone doesn't qualify you for a degree.

 

Well we have a disagreement I favor the classical approach of study and inquiry self-directed then proving that in some manner. You clearly follow the more accepted modern position of education. We can agree to disagree.

 

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perhaps because the ideas of other people here are not CRAP

 

Just as a point of clarification, California Pacific University is more than licensed in California but was/is a California State-Approved institution from long ago and when that meant something similar to DETC-accreditation. I raise this point because I earned a DBA from Cal-Pacific from 1996 to 2003 and it is in no way similar to the infamous school named after it in the sentence above. Since then I have entered the dissertation phase for the Ph.D. BA at Touro, but the CPU DBA was a difficult and rewarding achievement.

Dave

 

What is needed in North America is a City & Guilds type of school. In any case it would need some external validation to be successful.

The US would a good market for this approach since there is a low percentage of post-secondary qualification holders.

The EBS MBA is such kind of scheme but is from the UK.

Such a scheme would be occupationally focused but definitely have academic elements. You can use PLA, exams, reports, case studies, labs and whatever good way to make assessments.

It would need lots of money to make a real impact and get recognition but could work and is needed.

 

I agree about the City and Guilds USA, maybe one day some one will open a center in USA.


As far as EBS MBA then Its 11 modules and proctored exams.
USA has Universities with 1 year MBA that are somewhat similar.

How about USA Qualification Framework ?

 

Doesn't the City & Guilds program essentially involve translating so much work experience into such and such degree? If so, how would one get that idea past the American accreditors? Or am I just mistaken about the nature of City & Guilds?

 

(9, of course, if you're not taking a specialization.)

 

City & Guilds offers courses and exams mostly with emphasis on practice. In respect to experience there is no direct linkage except for obtaining the required competency.

For those with experience only, they offer a thesis based assessment as used in most UK universities. Except its focus on work based projects or improvement recommendations and face to face interview

In respect to accreditation, if TESC or WGU can be approved I don't see why this could not be done. In any case you have professional institutions, large firms, ACE and CAEL that could help there.

Does any US university offer a test out route for MBA similar to EBS? I am not sure of that, educate me. WGU maybe close in that regard but seem different.